That's pretty fucking shocking IMO, Skydance is a MESS.
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Jeremy Latcham has an entire evangelical movies producing company. The Ellisons are ready to start their propaganda machine.
So are they gonna keep going with the universe? Do a reboot? Make standalone movies? What’s the plan
Truthfully we don't know. I expect they'll stay the course. I think Gunn/Safran have a story they want to tell and Man of Tomorrow hopefully isn't the end of it, so they'll tell at least one more to finish that trilogy. Reading Gunn's statement it doesn't sound like he's moving on, just stepping back.
I think we see new projects get launched. Batman is an obvious one, especially because it's been "secretly" in the world for a while. Hopefully Latcham brings in some excellent creatives and can guide the overall universe in a loosely Gunn direction.
Can't wait for a Superman origin story
Supergirl's writing was a train wreck. So many baffling things I have to assume studio meddling. The movie otherwise was fine. Actress, fine. Direction, production, special effects, fine. But Supergirl came off hella awkward preaching about not revenge killing. Not because she accidentally killed someone in a rage and felt emptiness or regret. But that she'd lost her home and family to natural causes. Same thing right? And at the end, after all the preaching she gets her hypocritical kill on. No straightforward or intelligible arc as a character. For anyone. Baffling.
Have a 10 minute opening scene with her battling along side Clark. Accidentally going to far not realizing her strength. Then go off soul searching for the rest of the film. Biggest issue fixed. It would still need other tweaks. But then the main character would have a solid arc at least.
Mamoa as lobo though...... No notes.
Supergirl's writing was a train wreck. So many baffling things I have to assume studio meddling. The movie otherwise was fine. Actress, fine. Direction, production, special effects, fine.
This is a distressingly common trend in big budget movies in the last ~10 years or so. Casting directors seem to be doing great; it's been decades since we saw someone straight-up poorly cast, like Clooney as Batman or Julian McMahon as Doctor Doom.
Special effects are a somewhat mixed bag, but that's more an issue of SFX houses not being given the time and opportunity to do the best work that they can. When they're given time and used properly, it's entirely appropriate to say that special effects and CGI are better than ever before.
But writing for some unfathomable reason seems to have taken a turn specifically for the worse. I've heard that writers are being given less time to adjust scripts during filming, and that certainly fits with a pattern I've observed where there seem to be a lot of movies where the script feels like a first or second but by no means a final draft, as if one more final tweak could have taken something from passable to excellent.
Wherever the exact cause, "I liked everything about this movie except for all the things that happened" is a real fucking bummer of an experience, because you can so easily see how the movie could have been great, but just... wasn't.
Mamoa as lobo though...... No notes
From the moment he was announced as Aquaman I thought “nah, that braddah is Lobo.” Turns out it’s Momoa’s favorite comic book character and man he’s so perfect. I NEED to see him interact with Jon Stewart.
I don't think this is just a result of Supergirl. I think that film is (more or less) exactly what the director (Craig Gillespie) wanted. It just think something went wrong, Gunn tried to help, but it was too little too late. The film gets a lot right, but it misses in some big moments (as you've pointed out), and ultimately a just fine but not great film.
I think this is a result of pacing and releases. The merger was expensive and Skydance needs money. Putting out one blockbuster a year, and in the case of Supergirl a blockbuster that severely underperformed, isn't going to work for the studio.
The question is, how much rushed crap are we going to get going forward? Hopefully little to none, but I suspect we'll get some rough films. (But maybe some great ones?)
Yeah, I still 100% believe in Gunn as a director. He knows the stuff and can make it work. I agree with a lot of your other assessment too. Unfortunately as the head of the DC EU for whoever owns it now.. To have been this delayed after teasing in Superman and still being as rough as it was. It makes sense Gunn et all stepping down. The question is, did the studio ask? (that would be a mistake) Or did they chose to as a vote of no confidence in the studio or it's owners.
Based on Gunn's statement , it seems amicable.
Reportedly Gunn/Safran reported directly to Ellison post merge. Publicly Ellison said "Keep doing what you're doing". I'm guessing the rest of that statement is "...but we need more." Gunn/Safran and new head Jeremy Latcham have worked together before (on the first Guardians film).
It's entirely possible Gunn/Safran said they want to make films, put Latcham in charge, but that's pure speculation on my part.
I don't expect we'll see another great film out of Warner Bros or its subsidiaries for a long, long time. This decision alone shows how out of touch these new suites are, some how even further out than Zaslav.
Maybe they'll do a white dragon reboot or something, he got a pretty bad rap in peacemaker.
I mean Robert Patrick is a great actor and it was interesting to see that character develop in Peacemaker season 2, so I wouldn't be completely against it...
But more seriously Zaslav had a singular goal, be acquired. He won.
But Skydance, more specifically David Ellison? We know propaganda for sure. Look at CBS. But it's propaganda in order to make money.
Look at the films Skydance, before mega merging with Paramount and Warner Bros, made. Mostly "fine" films. A few great films, lots of entertaining films, a handful of whatever films.
Money is the big motivator here. I think you're right that it will possibly produce a lot of crap. But you need something good, sometimes, to make money. Crap can also make money, but you can't just make crap. (I hope.)
I haven't watched a single DCEU flick since Gunn took over (tSS aside). But after courting Gunn I though DC would finally get their cinematic-shit together. Talk about snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
A shame. Peacekeeper was legit good.
Gunn acknowledged that being an exec was “trying, to say the least.” He added: “I dislike the at-times corporate nature of the job (thanks to Peter for taking the brunt of that.).”
It's worrying, but Gunn not being a good executive isn't surprising. It was always clear that Safran's job was to take on the business side, but maybe there are issues there too. I don't know Latcham, but he doesn't look like a stooge immediately, so that's good.
Being generous I'm hoping this is case of projects not coming out fast enough. So hopefully we'll see a little more, but quality is of course also a concern.
I hope this is all for the best, but we'll see.
I liked Creature Commandos, Lanters and Superman I also think Gunn understood the assignment so this is not good news.
I didn't like Gunn running everything, but a different guy running everything doesn't fix anything either...
The whole problem is letting one person decide so much
Gunn wasn't running everything. Gunn and Safran were co-CEOs. It was two people running everything.
Skydance will probably replace them with a single CEO.
Gunn seemed to give A LOT of freedom to other creators. It also makes sense to have someone in a shared universe be aware of what's going on, and set rough outlines/rules.
For example Lanterns had to deal with Guy Gardiner existing, and since Gunn was going to use Jon Stewart he needed to be Lantern ready. But otherwise it is clear that Lanterns had a lot of freedom.
Or look at the upcoming "The People v. Gorilla Grodd". Gunn said that Jimmy Olsen should be out solving crimes (or something with Mister Terrific). Maybe he had more than that, maybe it needed to introduce certain characters, but it seemed like he had a rough idea, or maybe people with the right idea came to him and they talked about how it could fit into the larger world.
Ultimately you need some "one" that can say yes or no, but they can be very receptive to ideas.
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