cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/72713812

cross-posted from: https://dboft.com/post/14389

Heading out to the garden to listen to the Indy Johar interview again. Second time through. The first time I was just experiencing it ... like being at a concert, where you feel it before you can say what it is. This time I want it to land intellectually: break it into pieces, test, and challenge what I think I understood. We'll see if that actually happens. Incredible interview. > > > > Anyone watch/listen yet?

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[–] [S] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

Ok, so here is my summary of this... Everything you own is really a promise about the future. Those promises only hold if two things stay steady: the climate and the economy. AI is pulling at the economy by replacing workers. The heat already in the atmosphere is pulling at the climate. So the ground every investment was built on is moving, and the old ways of finding an edge are already dead, most just haven’t noticed yet.

People are selfish, and Indy isn’t asking them to change. He’s saying the smart selfish move is to put a slice of your money into the stuff that keeps the ground still, like cooling cities, stabilizing the Arctic, and keeping land from burning. Think of it as fire insurance for everything else you own. The catch is everyone wants someone else to pay for it.....and the people with the most money might just buy a bunker instead. His answer is that no bunker works in a world where everything is connected.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'm almost through the episode. Anything in particular you want to discuss?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    (repeat as I mistakenly posted from my testing account) Anyone catch where Indy mentioned something about ... capital flowing into AI is justified by replacing labor, but that’s the cover story...The real search is for something deeper. Do you agree? And with replacing labor: This will cause so much pain and suffering... how do we justify doing that? Its like a deal with the devil?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    That's a fun prompt, thanks.

    I think I agree to some extent, but I think there are two parties involved: investors, and AI researchers/tech CEOs. Investors want to replace labor, or at the very least, want to own the thing that does the replacing. Nothing could be more profitable in the short term (but hugely detrimental to them in the long term). The AI researchers/tech CEOs are the dreamers who are trying to create a god and then somehow harness its abilities, or hold a mirror up to god iirc Indy's metaphor. They'll use whatever money they're handed in pursuit of that goal.

    How do we justify replacing labor? I for one don't want to work in the way I'm being forced to, so I'm fine with the idea of not working. However, income/merit/benefits must be uncoupled from work first. Forgive the following civ reference, but we're not far enough along the civics tree to handle this kind of technology. I think Indy is right that we'll need to wait for crises before people want to change. That is a very annoying trait humanity appears to have.

    Is it like a deal with the devil? I don't know, but isn't this what we always wanted?

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    [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Fantastic post. Thanks.

    I haven't enjoyed a talk this much in a long time. They are getting much closer to the level of consciousness required to solve the problems we've created with our current ones.

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    [–] [S] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Ok so here is my summary ... Everything you own is really a promise about the future. Those promises only hold if two things stay steady: the climate and the economy. AI is pulling at the economy by replacing workers. The heat already in the atmosphere is pulling at the climate. So the ground every investment was built on is moving, and the old ways of finding an edge are already dead, we just haven’t noticed yet.

    People are selfish, and Indy isn’t asking them to change. He’s saying the smart selfish move is to put a slice of your money into the stuff that keeps the ground still, like cooling cities, stabilizing the Arctic, and keeping land from burning. Think of it as fire insurance for everything else you own. The catch is everyone wants someone else to pay for it, and the people with the most money might just buy a bunker instead. His answer is that no bunker works in a world where everything is connected.

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