The president's outright betrayal of Ukraine shows the U.S. is in a precarious position

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[–] 22 points 2 weeks ago*

Add it to the outrage pile

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago

    It's right up there with 86/47's flagrant betrayal of the USA.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    Traitor through and through.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    American voters: let's sit it out like the last time. That will make everything fine again. Worked in 24.

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  • [+] -40 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    haha its the one good thing he's probs ever done or will do

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    [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    who could have possibly seen this coming

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    Yeah but Kamala sat for pictures with Liz Cheney, so.

    We get this.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    To be fair, there was about sixty years of moderate Dems enabling Republican treason that were all necessary to make this moment possible. Her campaign deserves a ton of blame and none of the people who worked for it should ever be trusted with any kind of responsibility ever again, but in a better environment them being stubborn self sabotaging idiots wouldn't have been nearly as big a calamity as it's been.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Not disagreeing with the characterization per se, only that on Election Day we had one of two choices and some vocal posters indicated they would be choosing . . poorly. One hopes they have a better understanding of that choice now as the last two years have shown it in high relief.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Yeah but Kamala sat for pictures with Liz Cheney, so. ran as republican lite

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  • [–] -1 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    And we'd all rather have trump than republican lite!

    Yeah. yeh yeh yeh yeh

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    And we'd all rather have trump than republican lite!

    No people voted for the full republican not the lite version as expected by everyone except the dems.

    Yet people still complain it's the voters fault for a party failing to get people to vote for them by being a tiny bit better version of the other party

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    Not to defend Trump action but he never promised to help Ukraine

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Ripping away Starlink was a betrayal, was it not?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Just promised to end the war on day one. No biggy.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    We signed an agreement with Russia and Ukraine, promising Ukraine military defence in exchange for them giving up their nukes. Russia also promised to never attack Ukraine. We made an agreement that we're morally obligated to follow.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Nope. The Budapest memorandum does not promise military defense in any way. The closest that it promises to military defense is that the US (and all other parties to the agreement) is required to submit a report to the UN security council if Ukraine gets nuked.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Right. Fair. Trump was always Ukraine's enemy.

    Right now America is betraying Ukraine by letting Trump do this.

    Unfortunately, there's nothing our political system can do about it at least until the midterms, but hopefully we'll see some real change after that.

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