Last year, Tech Raptor found that around 500 of the nearly 3k games of October Next Fest games had AI disclosures, I can't imagine it'll be less this year and there's no way way to filter them out.
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Game platforms had shovelware issues before AI took off. Now it's worse and they're still not doing anything about it.
Steam is working on it but how effective it will be remains to be seen
They'll only work on a solution as long as customers care. If they notice that AI content will make them money, they will drop it.
A flood of shitty games already killed the video games industry back in the Atari days. It didn't recover outside of arcades until Nintendo revived it with the NES and a part of that was a licensing system that set a standard for what games could be released.
One direction things could go to save this is curators that sort through the mess and separate the slop from the gems. And even the slop could be further broken down into "uninspired clone just chasing money" and "good game idea by someone that doesn't have the right skills or resources, so it might improve". IMO the only way this will work in the long run without getting corrupted is by making the curation a subscription service, otherwise AI "curators" that are really just marketers will dominate.
And then people will slowly realize that any game they try is a gamble with lower and lower odds of finding something good and stop spending money on games. But even then, it might not stop the slop from being generated if the costs are low.
If steam just tries to block the slop, I expect that small indie creators will end up suffering the most, especially as the AI tools improve and it gets harder and harder to tell what is produced by AI.
Seems to me that Steam is embracing it rather than working on it. None of their discovery tools will ever be effective as long as they are built on the hopelessly flawed tag system.
GabeN has Aston Martins to buy for his son.
What else is going to do with his monopoly?
Little less salt in your breakfast please.
I picked up a bunch of games on sale recently. Every one was a game I had already wishlisted and did research on. I'm not even paying paltry steam sale prices for AI games. All the AI flood has done is make me less likely to impulse buy an indie game because generally I'll have to look into the company first. I used to just impulse buy a lot of <$10 indie and friend slop games without even reading the reviews. Unfortunately I can't do that anymore because the whole niche is flooded with AI.
Is the refund policy not good enough to just buy and refund later If it s shit?
That would require you to play the games you buy, which is an inefficient way to hoard games. Nobody has time for that!
My concern is not that the game will be bad, it's that it's AI at all. Plenty of AI games just don't disclose they used AI, or the disclosure is inaccurate. I'm not interested in engaging with AI media at all so I don't want to buy it in the first place, even if I can return it.
It's fully delusional. Most studios used the technology many years back and mostly for placeholders. You can and will never be able to avoid media touched by the algorirhm
I feel the same way about Apple. They should have a tag for whether the developer used a Mac. We need to pick apart all the tools that developers use and boycott the ones that upset us!
Maybe steam needs a verge of death system like new grounds. If the Game is downvoted to oblivion, delete it forever. And take their 100 $ submission fee and give it to charity or something so at least something good comes out of this sloppy mess.
Review bombers would love that. The amount of times that feature would get used the way you'd hope would be dwarfed by the field day right wing trolls would have with it.
Yeah maybe a little short sighted, you are right. But watching this also feels like a car accident.
The solution is to immediately demand a refund on any game where you even catch a whiff of genAI. Even if it's past the usual refund terms, request one. Make it painful for Steam, and they will be much more inspired to solve the problem.
Yeah, down with technology! The witch hunt is on! Can we do electricity next?
Not wanting to buy stuff made unethically, such a witch hunt, very regressive. Go do one.
Right, because all the electronics from factories, and electricity from non-renewable sources (the majority) is totally ethical.
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Computers aren't an optional extra, AI is. Get behind me, satan. ಠ◡ಠ
You better let the Amish know. Pretty certain they'd disagree with you. So would aboriginal tribes.
Let your mom know why you keep trying to make the same point, is your fucking brain on? Go away.
I'm attempting to highlight the hypocrisy, in hopes it'll illuminate your own mind and expose the fact that you only hate AI because it's popular to do so. It has no more ethical concerns than any of the other technology you use. Please, do go on with the ad hominem attacks if it helps to protect your ego during this transition to self-awareness.
You can probably say goodbye to things like LGBT-representation in videogames if that sort of system was implemented.
Yeah true, maybe. But I think we can still agree that we are drowning in slop nobody wants and if we don‘t filter it out now, this mess will be harder to clean up afterwards.
There no need to delete.
LLM slop is the next evolution to asset flips. Fundamentally the same thing.
Steam handles this not by deleting these slops but by hiding them effectively they don't come up in results unless you search for very specific terms.
Now here comes my controversial opinion which I hope I get downloaded significantly for: currently it costs $200 to submit a game to steam. This problem would go away if they increase that to $2,000.
I get your idea but I don’t think this is the right approach. 2000 $ is a lot of money in some regions where it would hurt solo Indie devs most. At this point I don’t know if there is regional pricing in those areas for submitting. And for every one else: I am not saying that 2000 $ is nothing, but every one who ever worked in a studio knows how much money is burned in games and this amount would be a minor position on the bill but thats another story.
Maybe a stricter policy about disclaiming where your assets come from would help against slop and asset flips.
And please lets make ai opt-in everywhere. Like I get that websites like itch now have a no ai tag, but this should be active by default. I don’t want to opt out actively every time I browse.
Yes I know, that's why I said I hope I get down voted for saying it.
But my point is, it would make a significant impact on the asset flips and LLM slop.
I'm not even saying they should do it. Valve has the data to make better decisions than I ever could. I'm sure whatever they're doing is backed by data. Which is kind of what you said, a disclaimer that they used LLMs/machine synthesis.
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