'Disney shooter'
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It's like they're trying to make a game that is as unappealing to me as possible.
Disney games do tend to feel generic.
Disney everything tends to feel generic. They ruined Star Wars and Marvel with mediocrity. Disney World hasn't changed much in decades. The only difference I noticed when I went in 2023 compared to the last time in 2007 (other than the massive increase in price) was that they removed the animals from Animal Kingdom and turned a third of that park into Pandora from Avatar. That part was kind of neat but definitely not worth selling both kidneys for. I could only afford it at the time because I collected a life insurance check. Someone had to die for me to afford Disney.
Can't wait for the game to fall over due to excessive cheating.
You can't have a cheating problem if nobody plays your game. *taps forehead*
People will play, kids see that IP and go nuts for it.
I can't think of any Disney game that became really famous/popular.
...and Unreal is pretty well known for just jamming characters into Fortnite.
The fact that it'll be AI is probably the only way it's going to get publicity.
Good to know Epic will die when the AI bubble finally bursts.
They are consumers not investors (I think). The bubble bursting will kill a lot of the frontier companies and their investors, but not directly consumers. At worst consumers have to make do without AI for a while, but more likely they will simply have to switch to a different LLM provider. Or maybe by the time the bubble bursts we have models good enough on hardware cheap enough to self-host them / run them locally.
If they rely on it so heavily as a part of their core business, then yes it will have quite the dramatic effect.
How? LLMs won’t go away. If they rely on LLMs, they “just” need to switch the provider and potentially the model.
There is not a single provider that operates on true costs. LLMs won't go away but they will either get a lot more expensive or worse for the same price.
They’re not all created equal. But I’m not here to convince you of anything. Enjoy your day!
It won’t burst.
If you think it'll be the first bubble to expand for ever I've got some tulips to sell you
Ever heard of the housing bubble? We’re still waiting on that to pop.
Did you just.... like..... forget about the 2008 housing crisis?
The question is, was 2008 a housing bubble, or a banking scandal?
The market didn't become too much for consumers or sellers, overloading and resulting in rapid price deflation (eg. A bubble popping).
Instead Banks were doing dodgy accounting so that poor people were getting loans they shouldn't have been eligible for.
In fact, maybe we should have legalized some of what the banks were trying to do. Poor people getting a chance to buy the worst homes, the banks facing costs and fuss if they can't pay up. The burden of the housing crisis should be shifted a bit more onto banks and billionaires.
Did you not think that that’s the point I’m making? The housing crisis never ended. The bubble didn’t pop. Houses are more expensive now then they ever were.
A housing bubble (or housing price bubble) is one of several types of asset price bubbles which periodically occur in the market.
The cyclical economy has been a thing since economics started.
John Maynard Keynes proposed that we should tightening spending and save for a rainy day in boom times (taking money out of cycle), and splurge and spend to stimulate the economy when times were bad (flowing money into the dry cycle to top it up)... He thought the government should make those two counter moves happen. Make people save when times were good, and give them stimulus to spend when times were bad... Because it would smooth out the cycle and make markets and society appear more stable.
In practice whilst we can sometimes do the 'stimulus' part, businesses still tend to over spend in boom times, making the highs and lows worse.
Often society will vote in right wing austerity rulers when a crash happens, rulers who will cut services when the economy goes bust (starving the economy further rather than stimulating spending).
So the human inclination to save money when times are hard (keeping money out of cycle), and over spend when times are good (putting money in when they could afford to save for a rainy day) - is difficult to avoid.
Okay. Neat. Still waiting for it to pop.
The point is that they don't pop just deflate and that happens all the time.
Except consumer demand for AI is fucking low, and professional demand for ai far outweighs the spend for AI. Meaning the infrastructure bill is going to come due and the amount of revenue coming in will not be able to support that.
This doesn't even get into the fact that a sizeable chunk of the AI revenue is just the Enron scheme happening again.
Epic are reportedly going all-in on integrating AI tooling into the next version of the Unreal Engine. I wonder if this is a test run for that, and if they'll backtrack on the idea once this catastrophically fails.
Probably not. Tim Sweeney is infamously stubborn about admitting his mistakes.
Absolutely unhinged business decision in this, the year of our lord 2026.
I can't wait for what ever bullshit excuse They come up with when this blows up in their face.
I assume they are trying to reduce the need for skilled programmers. Over time, this will make skilled programmers near extinct, the pay will go down since the skill ceiling will lower, and there will be less jobs. The general population is doing it to themselves by allowing it.
I don't think we have to worry too much. I don't see how such a system is sustainable. AI requires references to work with. So if humans quit making those references, at best, it seems like AI generated products will become stagnant fast and at worst AI will fall apart feeding on itself.
Idk. I'm curious to see where this goes. Not sure why. Like fuck AI in many realms, but for gaming, I'm curious. Game developers were already in danger. For the past 10 years I kept hearing high turnover rate and poorly treated.
Understood.
Blacklist Epic Games.
If AI is faster, why is it delayed?
The fact that all these AI companies are so unprofitable despite this kind of nonsense happening just goes to show how big this bubble has gotten.
Our comp has a 100$ claude license. A colleague ran it in a loop one month. If it was tokens (instesd of subsidized subscription) it would cost 10k that month.
Some people are so shortsighted it makes me want to shake them. They are not only themselves becoming reliant on something they could never afford, they are adding slop into the organization that they can't maintain, and exfiltrating all possible trade secrets the org has to Anthropic in the process.
Unless you work for the mythical good corpo or a worker co-op, then that's not the employee's problem!
Even if AI had good results, forcing the employees to use specific methods/tools against their will is always a sign of horrible management.
How does Epic give away free games, give devs a bigger cut of earnings, and make game dev way more accessible, while still constantly making everyone hate them?
Wtf are you buying all that good will for if you're just gonna make everyone hate you anyway?
Free games all subsidised by the Fortnite cash cow, which as far as I can tell is from children spending pocket money so their parents can get some peace. Devs being given a bigger cut of earnings I don't believe is being done in good faith and would be reverted if they'd managed to challenge Steam. Besides which, what does it matter if you get 20% more of $0 in sales?
Game dev more accessible = Unreal engine has a good ide? Or are you suggesting that slop coding makes game dev more accessible? Am not with you there.
Gabe Newell and Tim Sweeney are both wealthy men. Gabe keeps on making decisions that challenge monopolies and are pro consumer choice; you may argue that that's ultimately in his selfish best-interest but for now Steam is the best store front for gamers. Tim is like a weathervane for spouting the tech-bro fascist quote of the day, props up monopolies and doesn't see any value in people that create games for the love of it. There is quite a difference between them.
I don’t believe is being done in good faith
you may argue that that’s ultimately in his selfish best-interest
These are corporations we are talking about, no shit nothing is done in good faith, if either company could make more money be squeezing devs harder, they would.
Game dev more accessible = Unreal engine has a good ide?
Its a hell of a lot better than what I used back in the day, and Epic puts it in front of so many people who might be intimidated.
Or are you suggesting that slop coding makes game dev more accessible?
Good lord no, they have templates and examples that will get you 90% of the way there and you'll end up with code you actually can maintain.
If epic provides gen AI tools, I was unaware. I just knew Sweeny had said dumb shit about not wanting customers to be able to filter slop games.
you may argue that that’s ultimately in his selfish best-interest
Also known as "Everyone good is bad actually, no I don't have anything useful to say, why do you ask?"
Hate when people make that argument lol
It is in his best interests to not be a piece of shit because gaben knows full well what will happen if gamers turn on him. There will be no digital market anymore.
Imagine a world where pc gamers all lose faith in the only service worth having faith, that makes us happy. People would pay for nothing. Literally nothing.
That's the world that gaben knows before steam. And it will be the world again when steam exhausts its karma and peoples libraries are threatened or seem threatened. Gaben knows this all too well and puts his best efforts into appeasing the animalistic machine and unbridled freedom and power that is pc gaming.
As a demographic, it's the richest and most entitled and most skilled at piracy and getting what it wants. That's the nature of the platform and the people drawn to the platform. It's literally the master platform where the gods that create live and work and play and breathe and die. I'm not joking. People don't develop on a ps5, they develop on a workstation pc for the ps5.
I’ve been using Epic for years, and my library is hundreds of games at this point. I have not given them one single dime and I never will. Like you said, all the good will in the world can’t make up for being a dog shit company.
I'd sooner pirate the games than use epic
When posting articles, I'd say it's probably a good idea to include... you know... a link to said article?
Just googling (actually no-ai DDG'ing, but yeah), I came across this. So it seems real. But without a source, this post looks like something you made up yourself.
So, I'm not talking as a mod here or saying you're breaking any community rules or anything. This is just me expressing a little frustration in the hope that you'll take it into account in the future, but...
Whether it's an original post or a cross-post shouldn't affect whether the criticism is valid, right? If OOP did something "wrong", it's not as if you didn't have the option of... instead of verbatim cross-posting the original... making a post to this community that didn't commit the same offense. In this case, going and finding a reputable article on the topic and posting that to this community instead of just copying a contextless, sourceless assertion with no reason for any reader to think it's true (without searching elsewhere for an article on the topic themselves). (Mind you, I'm not saying I'd put it past Epic/Disney to do such a thing. But plenty of rumors that sound somewhat plausible turn out to be false.) If the criticism is valid for OOP, I'd say the criticism that you shouldn't have compounded the issue by spreading it to another community is just as valid.
The similarity with LLM-brained people saying "not my fault, I'm just telling you what the LLM said" or "not my fault, it's the agents that did it, not me" is a bit striking here. I mean... it is their fault for choosing specifically to act as a mindless conduit for what the LLM outputs. (Or perhaps their boss' fault if they were acting under orders to reverse-centaur it up like that.) Just like "not my fault; I was drunk at the time" isn't an excuse and a get-out-of-jail-free card for someone who just killed a whole family in a drunk driving accident. (The drunk driver made the decision to drive drunk, after all.)
Edit: Oh. You deleted your comment while I was typing all this out. Heh...
Well that's wonderful news! Can't wait for Disney's AI slop to fail!
Oh no! The shitty company is doing the shitty thing!? Who could’ve guessed that would happen?
That thumbnail is hilarious. They should just call the game "whoops! disaster!"
It’s a little surprising it wasn’t pure ai drivel from the get go given that a Star Wars/Marvel shooter game sounds like the kind of lazy IP mashup garbage that gets AI sloppers excited.
It's a good thing that this company also makes one of the most widely used video game engines!
We soon have more games than people on earth. Real task in future will be to find good ones among the slop. Oh and we burn the planet on the way there.
I get the use of AI is unavoidable but that's got to be so demoralizing to have a finely honed skill forcibly turned into vibe coding.
I get the use of AI is unavoidable
It is entirely avoidable.
It's avoidable if we stop having the fatalistic attitude that it's unavoidable. Support creators and businesses that don't use AI. Don't use it yourself. There's nothing AI can do that a human hasn't already been doing better for years.
It’ll be very avoidable once the frontier models stop getting subsidized by idiot investors.
Musicians have been dealing with this forever. Player pianos to recording to samples and now the akai mpc breaks apart copyrighted songs into separate stems using gen ai. And it’s industry standard. Yall are just the people that cried about all of these things in the past.
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