Futurology

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[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Silver lining of the war in Ukraine and Iran. I hope the straight stays closed for a decade.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 child)

Donald Trump may be the single most climate friendly president in our lifetimes.

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[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago

Accidentally

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Not because of concerns of global CO2. People only care about their pocket books.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

I don't really care why. Neither does the climate.

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[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah, that's generally how humans operate. Pretty universally.

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[–] Ravenheart@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

That's how they're conditioned/forced to think under capitalism. Everything orbits around the accumulation and/or preservation of an abstract, arbitrary number rather than things that actually matter.

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[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

No, that's just human nature. Humans operate within circles of closeness. Themselves, their immediate family, their extended family, their neighborhood, their town, their state, their country, other humans globally, then other issues like the abstract issue of a future climate situation.

Generally, people only start to care about the further circles when the closer circles are fully satisfied, regardless of economic system. If something happens to affect a closer circle, then humans will virtually always focus on that circle before caring about a further circle.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago (2 children)

California electricity rates are worse

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child)

The sun is free.

You can just throw up some panels and take it.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago

I live by the coast it’s usually foggy

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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Hell, they're doing so well EVs were more than 25% of cars sold in the US last quarter - and even at that low percentage, total unit sales of EVs in the US was second only to China.

Retail sales of the battery-electric (BEV) and plug-in hybrid (PHEV) models qualifying for the incentive fell 26.6% and 13.9% year over year, respectively. Even with those declines, electrified vehicles, including BEVs, PHEVs and hybrids (HEVs), accounted for 26.9% of U.S. retail sales in the second quarter of 2026, according to Urban Science’s daily new-vehicle sales data through June 30, 2026.

(source)

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[–] Rothe@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That is honestly much higher than I would have expected for the US. A rare piece of semi-good news from over there for once.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

My cynical but not wrong take as a US citizen who drives an old normal-sized car:

The vehicles people choose to drive are so freaking huge that their electric versions will probably need 200kwh battery packs, making them even more expensive than EVs already are here.

Though on the other hand, the people around me DO love spending ridiculous sums on their cars too.

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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago*

Nah.

The EV with the largest battery available in the US the GMC Hummer EV (side note: I want one. They're the dumbest things I've ever seen. Seriously, who thought this was a good idea?) with a 246kwh battery pack - the next highest I could find is 205 kwh for the Chevrolet Silverado with the Max Range battery package (estimated range 478 miles). Both have massive batteries, but that's what's required if you're towing using an EV - nearly all other EVs in the US sit at around 85-110 kwh for the sedan/SUV/Crossover segment , and 65 for electric roller skates like the bolt (no hate for the bolt, it's pretty nice. It's just so tiny.)

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[–] Pirasp@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

And here I am, looking for a new gasoline car because I can neither charge at home nor at work. There aren't even any fast chargers around as far as I know...

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[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

You don't need a fast charger at home. But if you live in apartment or something, then yeah you're out of luck.

https://www.plugshare.com/

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

You can use an app/site like PlugShare to see if there are any nearby chargers.

Keep in mind that you can plug an EV into a standard outlet and add between 40 snd 80 miles to the tank overnight. You don’t have to install a special charger.

Hope this helps.

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[–] Pirasp@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Believe me, I would love to be getting an EV. I live in an upstairs Appartement to, and have a parking spot that is about 5m away from the nearest structure, let alone outlet. I hope the charger situation improves within the next year, because that's about all the time I can give it. Thanks for the link btw, but it only confirmed that there are no viable chargers close by.

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[–] NightFantom@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

Where do you live roughly? Can you contact your local government (the more local the better, your mayor for instance) and see if they're open to supporting infrastructure for charging? It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation, and many like you may switch if there's charging infrastructure.

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[–] Pirasp@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago

Small town in germany, with CSU in power locally I have little hope

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[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The actual problem is diesel, ship bunker fuel and jet kerosene.

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[–] Rothe@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

Well, it is one of the problems. You could say the microplastic from car tires infecting our bloodstream and everything on Earth is another. But there are loads more problems as well.

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[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

Some problems cause sudden excess deaths in the billions, others less so.

https://youtube.com/shorts/KhoRJQUA6dA

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[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

We also need a better backbone to support evs. China has massive charging stations, essentially battery stations like gas stations.

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[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 month ago

Notice that grid infra upgrades at that scale can't be done with copper, since we're running into extraction limits there. So the bulk will have to be aluminium.

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

Did not expect this milestone to happen anytime soon, let alone right now.

[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

The good news is that the world's biggest idiots will refuse to switch to electric. And they'll be financially penalized long term

And it will help benefit those who adopt evs

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

they’ll be financially penalized long term

Nope, they will be subsidized.

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[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

They'll be subsidised a bit. But I'm practice, not to the extent that electricity costs

At this point, the cheapest cars being sold are basically EVs

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

Donald Trump is the new Greta Thunberg.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

The 50% figure is gas-only vehicles. Can anyone explain to me why, outside of culture war bullshit, these even exist anymore? It seems that hybrids are better in nearly every single way, and nearly every single circumstance.

The only thing I can find is lower complexity, since it doesn't need the electric drive system.

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[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Gonna get hit with dislikes but whatever.

Lower complexity - even the more advanced models can be fixed by common folk, assuming quite a lot of stubborness.
Commonality. They are everywhere, are cheaper, and are what you think of when someone says "car".
Preferences. I refuse to drive automatic transmission, because I find manual a lot more comfy and fun. A lot of folk think the same about ICE. From the sound they make to how they behave.
Lack of infrastructure / Fear of lack of infrastructure. ~~First~~ Second is common, ~~second~~ first is still somewhat-common. But people would die if they did actual research, don't you know?
You can grab ICE car, put a can of fuel in the back and drive to fuck-off nowhere and you're guaranteed to be fine. EV's are a lot more vulnerable to weird shit happening, or even their users stupidity. Does not apply to hybrids far as I know, but also hybrids are more popular.

And fully subjectively - I love ICE cars. They purr, handling them feels nice, there's a feeling of connecting with a machine. I only drove hybrids on the electric side of things and it was an...eerie experience. Felt more like operating a trolley I guess? It was interesting and I am still fascinated by them just...it's deffo not anywhere near similiar experience except for the "get pushed forward in metal can" part.

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[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

To be clear, I'm only asking about non-plug-in hybrids. These still get 100% of their energy from gas, but the drivetrain includes a battery and electric motor to supplement the ICE. While it includes the Prius, it includes a ton of cars (like the Camry hybrid) that don't stand out.

I'll accept the added complexity as a deterrent, but only a minor one. It's getting much harder for shade tree mechanics to do even basic repairs on anything new, regardless of drivetrain. To top it off, it's only a small percentage of people (at least in the US) that will ever do their own maintenance, or even consider it. The electric drivetrain components are a very small part of the picture.
Aside from branding and marketing, they aren't special. They're just cars that get much better mileage.
Granted. It seems that a good number of people are comforted by the sounds and feel, which explains why some brands are adding it to EVs. But it doesn't cover the vast majority of users, who are already getting an automatic and consider "quiet" a feature.

4/5. HEVs run entirely on gas. No infrastructure needed, and some could even be removed.

BTW, I upvoted for the honest and detailed response. It drives the conversation forward. While I disagree with some of your points, I better understand why the market exists. I just think it should be a much, much smaller market.

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[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago

What you think you can do matters as much as what you can actually do. All in all, when trying to sell a pen, you try to sell the need for a pen. Well, people already got sold idea of ICE cars being an easy fix.
Yeah, doesn't challenge my point. They are common. When someones says they own normal car, they most probably mean ICE. Inertia at work.

And about 5 - that's why I mentioned that hybrids don't deal with that, and that it actually boosts their sales. People I know balk at the idea of full EV, but are so-so against or for hybrids.

And thanks for propagating healthy discussion place. ^^

All in all what actually stops ICE from going the way of the dodo is mostly how much they're "real" cars in our mind, and subjective preferences. Well, and pricetag. That's also IMO why hybrids are becoming so common today - they bridge the gap.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

explain to me why, outside of culture war bullshit, these even exist anymore?

Highest profit margins for manufacturers. Idiots are now paying $75000++ for pickups.

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[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

And even then some hybrids use the engine as a generator only and the car is always propelled by the electric motors. It's always a win imo.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 1 month ago (8 children)

also because american cars, even EVs are OVERPRICED.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Video explaining how Stellantis is broke because the CEO just decided to fuck over customers in 2020-21 and he never let off. They mention 430,000 cars rotting unsold on lots, but GM now has more unsold cars than when they went broke in 2008. Call Mike Burry!

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Yeah, we need some of that Chinese slave labor to make us cheaper cars.

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It's pretty undeniable that American carmakers have lost the plot at this point. Other carmakers are still getting by, but American brands are now irrelevant outside the states.

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[–] Fallibilist@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

Irrelevant? Teslas are absolutely everywhere here in Finland. A friend went to test drive one yesterday. Model Y is the best selling EV here.

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

Was referring to the traditional American carmakers. Tesla's kind of a special case. But yeah, it's insane how popular Tesla is in Scandinavia.

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[–] Fallibilist@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago

Well that is true. It's not a new thing though. American car brands have always had a reputation of being unreliable. The best selling brands here are Toyota, Volkswagen and Škoda.

The American classic/muscle car subculture has a strong presence as well but that's also a special case.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

Chinese slave labor to make us cheaper cars.

even bots don't believe this.

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Seven-day weeks and ‘debt bondage’: China’s first electric car plant in Europe mired in allegations of worker abuse

The BYD factory being built in Szeged, Hungary, is facing scrutiny after reports of EU labour laws being violated among the Chinese migrant workforce

The Guardian - 12 May 2026

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[–] myyass@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago*

'Merica, (Fuck yeah) Comin' again to fuck up the motherfuckin' day, (Fuck yeah) 'Merica, (Fuck yeah) Freedom™ only for a price, (Fuck yeah)

Terrorists, your game is through 'Cause now you have to collude too

'Merica, fuck a duck (Fuck yeah) So lick my butt and suck on my balls (Fuck yeah) 'Merica,, (Fuck yeah) What you gonna do when we come on you now? Get Bent!

It's the "dream" that we all share It's the hope for tomorrow, when we're asleep! (Fuck yeah)

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