It was just after 2 a.m. on a pitch-black Friday morning when Bernadette Greene-Placentia’s life changed. The Democratic candidate for Congressional District 8 strolled across a parking lot to repair a damaged campaign sign. It was a routine she’d followed all summer. This time, she only made it a few yards.

An attacker smashed her over the head. She blacked out. She woke up to find a strange man on top of her.

Greene-Placentia struggled to open her eyes. She felt a sharp pain below her waist. The attacker was pulling his penis out of her.

She heard him mumble something like, “-ic bitch, not a very good fuck,” which her mind filled in as “Democratic bitch,” she recalled. She wasn’t sure that was exactly what he said.

One leg was out of her jean capris. She wore brand-new tennis shoes and a campaign t-shirt. Another man came over. Greene-Placentia felt his weight nudging her left leg further apart. She began swinging her foot at him. “Not even worth it,” she heard the man say as he moved away. He wore black boots and had small feet, she recalled.

The two men left Greene-Placentia face down in the parking lot. The hatch of her silver Jeep Grand Cherokee was still open. The car was still running. She heard music.

She doesn’t remember pulling up her pants or picking herself off the asphalt parking lot. She doesn’t remember closing her Jeep’s hatch and putting her foot on the gas. She doesn’t remember pulling her car into the driveway and collapsing into her bed.

“It’s just these little tiny flashes of things that I do remember,” Greene-Placentia said in an interview with Phoenix New Times. “As much as I don’t want to remember, I’ve tried very, very hard to remember more stuff. But that’s where I’m at.”

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[–] 193 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Every time rape culture comes into the limelight, I remember a party in college where a friend, well call her blue, was so drunk she was pants-off propositioning several people. All of us were like "Blue if you're down tomorrow, that's cool. But like, go to bed."

Not Nick. Name not redacted. I went into their room and cock blocked. Straight to Nick "brother you're way more cogent than her. This is rape, and everyone here knows it."

Or, sorry to both sides here, but the time Jenna, name not redacted, came downstairs with a suggestive giggle and grin after we had all just helped our friend James (not his name) to bed, in his own home at his house for a graduation party. Jenna, that was rape. And I said it out loud to you in front of everyone. And you giggled like it was cute.

There's a small percentage of humans among us that don't respect others autonomy. They need to be outed. They need to be held accountable. We need them away from the rest of us.

Fuck you Nick. Fuck you Jenna.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    I saved a friend of mine from a similar situation. I was living in a house with 5 people. She was shit faced. I came home and found her in the shower. Clothed. Passed out.

    I got her changed (we were pretty close friends). And put her to bed.

    Like a bit later I get up to check on her. Cause people can die from alcohol poisoning. I See her door is open. Go in and a fucking guy is in her bed.

    Can you believe that !?

    Some shit stain that was there for the party, from one of the other housemates was throwing.

    I flipped out on him and cussed him out. He called me a bitch. Told me to mind my own fucking business. She was into it. ..

    He really wasn't going to leave. I am pretty sure I threatened him with violence. (This was like 20 years ago).

    Man, I was so angry. I'm still angry when I think about it.

    I remember it was actually really hard to get him to leave. He didn't think I had any right to tell him he couldn't rape my friend. I do recall there being a lot of yelling.

    I did finally get him to leave. And I told the housemate about it but she honestly didn't care.

    Next day I told my friend some shitty guy was in her bed but I chased him off. I tried to recall what he looked like. So she could figure out who he was. But I don't think we figured it out for sure.

    And cautioned her about Ashley's "friends".

    She said she got in the shower because she realized how drunk she was and thought it would sober her up. And didn't remember much after that.

    Thank God I got off work in time.

    A woman underestimates her alcohol consumption one fucking time and the vultures swoop in. In her own place.

    Not safe anywhere.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The fucking nerve to argue over the right to keep raping someone blackout drunk!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Right?!

    And he genuinely thought calling me a bitch and telling me to fuck off was going to work.

    I wonder if such a tactic had worked for him in the past.

    You know I was thinking about how back then we called it "taking advantage". Not rape.

    Like they just took an opportunity that presented itself. An opportunity that the victim created.

    Morally gray. But not the same as rape. Which is only defined as when a sober woman is physically attacked and held down with force by a man. the term wasn't really applied to many other scenarios.

    No one used the word "rape" to describe assaulting an intoxicated person.

    It was always "someone took advantage of them".

    And I think describing it that way was part of why it was pervasive. Acceptable. Common.

    And even now it's hard to get people prosecuted for rape when the victim is intoxicated.

    Like somehow , them being incapable of escaping or resisting makes them willing and accepting by default.

    I think in some ways , the rapist who physically attacks a sober woman is at least unashamedly acknowledging what they are doing.

    Whereas the rapist who waits until his would-be victim is incapacitated and can't fight back , and tells himself they wanted it, is a delusional sociopath. These are the types who go after children and teens too. The kind who groom. These predator types are more insidious.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    I don't remember it being called "taking advantage" except maybe when I was a kid and too young to really get it, but it's really gross that people used to say that. Taking advantage of someone should mean overstaying your welcome or not picking up your fair share of the checks when you go out to eat, not raping someone too drunk to consent.

    And I think you've got a great point there about the psychology of these people. I'm particularly aware of and concerned with sexual violence stemming from self delusion due to ways in which I've been victimized. These people seem to be the sort unable to handle a no or to do the flirtatious dance of figuring out that it'll probably be a yes before they ask. So rather than finding someone who would say yes or becoming someone more people would say yes to, they find a person too drunk to consent, or someone too inexperienced to know better (especially minors), or they try to manipulate/pressure a no into a yes, or whatever other way that isn't just straightforward finding someone who actually wants you.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    Apparently plenty of people have no Idea that having sex with someone under influence of substances is rape. I've had this conversation with someone, who openly said the point of going to parties is to score with drunk girls.

    We're younger back then, I feel like he's a better person now.

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  • [–] 100 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I'm sure the cops will definitely use the flock cameras to identify her attackers.

    /s

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  • [–] 38 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Wouldnt you know it, it happened in a gap of camera coverage. This wouldnt have happened of the liberals hadnt been pro-rape and forced us to get rid of the cameras that would have caught this! We should get 30,000,000 dollars in new funding to expand AI cameras across the area!

    /s

    I feel so sorry for this poor woman having to endure this, It is a terrible violation and tragedy.. but if it happened specifically because of her politics, then that opens a very very dark door for our future, and thats saying something considering rape is already a dark door in and of itself.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago

    It likely was politically motivated the rapist said “-ic bitch” to her and I think she was right that the full word was democratic. She was also attacked while fixing a political sign which probably wasn’t a coincidence. This is disgusting.

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  • [–] 85 points 1 month ago (29 children)

    This is a horrific story. We need stronger laws surrounding rape. I guarantee you, that if republican men were being raped, we would have death penalty laws against rape.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    What's needed is not stronger laws so much as consistent and motivated enforcement of the existing laws. If nobody is bothering to investigate the crimes that are reported, fewer victims are going to report crimes, and the perpetrators are going to be emboldened.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Exactly. Ask any cop about their untested rape kits.

    They get them and then they don't do shit with them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    If it's not murder, it didn't happen on camera, and it didn't happen in a car cops couldn't care less unless it's really easy. Like easier than testing a rape kit and matching it to a database of sex offenders and other rape kits (which should be pretty damn easy). Speaking as a victim, I knew cops were fucking useless, but I'm very vocal since my experience about how brazenly they don't care. Like, to the point they didn't notice the footprint under a window with a cut screen and insisted we must've left the door unlocked.

    I have no doubt that there are serial rapists out there with many samples of their DNA sitting in police offices untested with none of the victims knowing that the rapist has targeted a lot of people already.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    The sentence in the middle of your comment is technically true, but the surrounding joviality of lol and stupid emojis is horrible.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    There are literally over a dozen people on Lemmy. There may even be more than twice that. Don't expect a single, cohesive view on anything. It's rare enough for even a single person to have cohesive views. If you expect a single, cohesive view from a group of multiple people, that's about as realistic as expecting your romantic relationships to work like ones in Disney movies. The person calling for the death penalty as a comment on one post is probably not the same one calling for care in handling a homeless man's issues. This is a collection of individuals, not a collective hivemind.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (17 children)

    The laugh emojis are a weird thing to add.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Hate cops but now expect them to help you?

    So you admit that they can't be expected to do their jobs? Weird take from someone who supports the police. Maybe if they actually did their jobs they wouldn't be so hated.

    Expect the harshest punishment for rapists, but homeless criminals should be excused at all cost no matter what they do

    Oh, you're here to strawman. No surprise there.

    • Expect the peeps to be caught ASAP but hate flock cameras

    Is that not what they're for? Why would you be against them being used for what they're allegedly for?

    Fucking HYPOCRITES

    If you were smart enough to know how dumb you are you'd be embarrassed.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    So you want police to stop brutalizing marginalized communities but also don't want to be randomly assaulted and raped?

    Like most things in life, it's a binary choice and you can't possibly have both

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    So you want police to stop brutalizing marginalized communities

    Yes?

    but also don't want to be randomly assaulted and raped?

    Also yes?

    Like most things in life, it's a binary choice and you can't possibly have both

    Why the hell not? Where is that written down?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Sorry I was trying to be sarcastic and the point i was trying to make was essentially the opposite of what I said, which I recognize could be confusing.

    Most things are not a binary choice, and if we were going to have real police reform we would need to have difficult conversations about how much policing snd what type is the best to ensure public safety without having the policing itself become a public safety concern. But that reform isn't coming, so we probably don't need to have those conversations

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    You want both? How about neither. Don't worry you still wouldn't have gotten either had you picked just one. Anyways, we've decided to do a bunch of overtime not doing anything beneficial and massively outspent our budget. Anyways you don't really need those libraries, sidewalks, or schools.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 month ago (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    No they are untouchable victims to you fucking hypocrites

    Lol. Who told you that?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I lived in San Diego for a year and loved it. Try living in Oklahoma, then we'll talk.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Are the leftists who think these things in the room with us now?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Expecting cops to do their jobs is hypocrisy?

    What is even happening...

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    [–] 66 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I understand the memory block the trauma of rape can cause. My ex drugged and raped me in my own home, in my own bedroom, during my own goddamn birthday party with family and friends just a shout away. Everyone thought I was just super fucking drunk, as I had turned 21 and was drinking heavily. I was drunk, but the drugs I was given in the last drinky ex gave me had me unable to stand within minutes. My ex told everyone he'd go tuck me in so I could rest and everyone thought the last of the alcohol I'd had hit me all at once. He essentially dragged me to my bed and tossed me onto it like a sack of potatoes. I didn't pass out as quickly as I would have liked. The drugs paralyzed me and I was very much aware of the things my ex was doing, but I couldn't do a damn thing about it. Thankfully I passed out before he started the penetrative part of the rape. I woke up naked and in awful pain all over, but especially down there. I often sleep nude or nearly nude because I get overheated easily, so I didn't think anything of it and figured the pain was just a hangover.

    I blocked out all memory for five years as a survival mechanism and my mental health tanked when the memories came back. It took another three years for me to seek therapy. All of the evidence is circumstantial, as he wore protection or was just unable to cum. There were no witnesses and no concrete evidence other than my memories that resurfaced, me waking up naked, and the pain.

    The mental healing has been so rough. I can't imagine what this woman is going through. Her experience sounds far more traumatic than mine was. I hope she can get the help she deserves and needs and that the bastards who hurt her get what's coming to them. I will never get justice for what happened to me, but I hope every other victim can.

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  • [–] 121 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    This is horrific, and sounds like actual terrorism in that it is a violent act with an apparent political motive. I hope she is safe and gets justice for what was done to her.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It's 100% terrorism and it's exactly what all these misogynistic billionaires are funding with their money. All of these manosphere bullshit podcasters keep pushing men into misogyny and violence and social media giants enable them. They are not the root cause of the problem but they're intentionally making it worse.

    We're seeing a very deliberate campaign targeting half our population with vitriol and violence. This isn't free speech anymore, it's terrorism.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    After I posted my comment it occurred to me that people threatening women with rape in internet comments and DMs is definitely part of this story. If those threats are normalized, you don’t need to direct a specific person to attack another specific person, you can just trust that it will happen eventually, like other varieties of stochastic terror.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Yep! It's also a stage of the radicalization pathway that the alt right pioneered. Each step primes people for the next as well as making them sympathetic to those even further down the line. While the person who's only involved in light misogyny spaces may in theory oppose rape threats and rape, they may very well find themselves talking about false accusations or how you can't control people on the internet or rapists. By having those reactions they're already priming themselves to maybe be interested in communities where among other things some members make fun of rape victims that the community has decided are liars.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago

    Well, even if this was politically motivated, she's not a conservative and doesn't have the name Charlie Kirk, so Republicans won't give a flying fuck.

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  • [–] 114 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Completely insane that there are comments here assigning any degree of blame to her for this situation. The fact that it was 2 in the morning isn't an invitation to rape or be otherwise assaulted.

    Hell, I don't care if someone were nude and fixing a sign that advertised their services as a prostitute. Still not "asking for it".

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I’ve been shocked and disgusted to learn the mundane activities that my wife considers too unsafe to risk. Not just being out alone at 2am, not just being out alone at night, but being out alone at all. I go for solitary hikes in the woods to restore myself but she won’t even walk her German shepherd in an area where she can’t see other people at all times.

    I mention all this not to say “these are the rules - women should know to follow them.”

    I mention all this with outrage that anyone anywhere should ever feel like they need to live this way. These are completely unreasonable limits for any human being. It truly breaks my heart that my loved one will never know the joy of sitting meditative at a mountain peak looking out over the valley where we live, or know the pleasure of walking her dog under the stars.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Same. My wife has told me there is a massive difference between going shopping and I just tag along and going by herself. Even in public areas, she just notices less stares and gets less random comments from men.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Once, long ago, I dated a woman with really flashy good looks. Pale blond hair, big tits, beautiful face, the works. She got so much attention that even when I was with her I could sense it myself. In fact I got a special form of the “male gaze” which was reserved just for me: these sneering looks like “who’s that piece of shit with her?” It wasn’t an all day every day kind of thing but if we went out to bars it was palpable. It was very interesting to actually get a personal taste of that kind of attention. As a dude you typically just have no idea.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    I can already hear the Republicans making fucked up jokes about this.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Well, they thought Nancy Pelosi's husband getting assaulted was a real hoot, so it's all too predictable.

    Also, they started crafting a narrative in which it wasn't home invasion or anything, but because he's actually sooper dooper gay or something and it was a lover's quarrel. Tee hee, aren't the conservatives so funny? Why won't the libs make comedy legal again?

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  • [–] [S] 39 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Don't worry, we have proclaimed leftists claiming she's making this all up for attention right here.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago

    well, there's the whole Kirk dance on the grave thing and he deserved it...

    to be clear, what happened to her is beyond atrocious and I have zero ideas on fixing it and like climate change, I don't think there is anyway to fix it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    You can read them too, right under this story in the comments.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    Thankfully no jokes, just conservative men doing what conservative men do when they hear a woman has been raped, calling her a liar.

    The fact that they do this shit is why no one should believe them when they say they wanna "Protect women" from trans people.

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