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[–] 9 points 1 month ago (12 children)
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    I hate “AI” as much as the next guy, but that seems a bit harsh. They are making a very specific point, and it seems well argued to me.

    That’s not to say that infringement is necessarily okay. But it’s a distinct issue from “theft.”

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    Fair use isn’t infringement. And if it is infringement, it’s not “theft.” And even if a use competes with you, competition doesn’t make it illegal. Indeed, the “effect of the use upon the potential market” is just one of four factors, and it isn’t supposed to let ordinary competition swallow the entire fair use analysis. That these employees (who are not, themselves, copyright experts) said random things does not change the actual underlying analysis of fair use. Or, at least, it shouldn’t.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    It's not fair use and it's theft. The artists and creators had no way of opting out because most didn't know about it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    It’s not theft. It’s plagiarism. They’re different.

    Your second point is a valid problem with what they did (but doing something that is wrong doesn’t mean it is theft).

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    If I ran into a university and stole all of their teaching aids, books and art to "train my university students, that's still fucking theft. Why tf would you stick up for them in any way?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Did you copy them or keep them?

    Why are you interpreting this as defending them?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Don't you have to steal them to copy them? The fact that no one knew they were stealing them to copy, means the owners didn't know, couldn't opt out or protect them. Just because it's not a law yet, doesn't make it okay.

    Why are you interpreting this as defending them?

    Why are you not? You wrote the defense out.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    If someone still has their belongings after a “theft” it’s not theft.

    What they are doing is violating the artists (and much more heinous things), but calling it theft isn’t accurate, has undesirable side effects, and doesn’t solve the problem of stopping them doing what they’re doing.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    don't you have to steal them to copy them

    No, you can go into the library and take pictures / scans of the pages without the books ever leaving the library.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    ... and then write cheap copies without any penalties whatsoever, right?

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    [+] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Pretty sure they're breaking excel with ai slop, i have to restart excel every 20 minutes because it stops rendering the spreadsheet randomly.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    It is theft since the artists and creators have no say in it. There was plenty of open copyright material they could have used, but they didn't. They have admitted to the crime, why are you sticking up for them techdirt?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Because copyright infringement isn't theft.

    Legally (generally, caveat: jurisdiction) theft requires that the victim is deprived of ownership.

    The article depends on a technicality that is routinely abused in courts all over the world.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    He didn't say it was. He said it will be perceived as that.

    millions of people around the world will soon consider large models ‘hoovering up’ all their work to be an astonishing theft of unprecedented proportions.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Are you sure? I'd consider Microsoft an expert on the topic.

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