I'm sure that "certain people" got very rich in those 30 years, which was the actual goal.
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Quick, hook Thatcher up to a magnet for infinite electricity. She's spinning so fast we could end climate change.
To be fair, not even Thatcher dared attempt rail service privatisation. It was her disciple Major who pushed it through and enthusiastically promoted battling business units on rails in Brussels.
The privatisation of British Rail did indeed begin under Thatcher, though she did so with reluctance due to the obvious need for ongoing subsidy. Sealink and the hotels were the first parts to go in 1984 (at much less than book value).
These were swiftly followed by a laundry company set up for the hotels, an internal ad agency, a travel agency, and the Vale of Rheidol railway which was privatised in 1989.
Ah my bad. I thought most of the privatisation over there was under her. Did she do the water and BT or was that him too?
Most of it was. BT was Thatcher and she did most buses too. Water was started by her, after chickening out at least once, but finished under Major.
Major has a surprisingly popular "underdog" reputation because he was uncharismatic, won against poll predictions in 1992 and he had lots of infighting in his own party, but he was a pretty zealous capitalist in practice.
So much piss on her grave that it's now a designated protected wetlands, home to birds and animals found nowhere else in the UK. Afraid that we can't dig her up again. Beautiful place to visit; have a couple of bottles of water before you go.
Just got back from Cordoba, Spain, a journey of 1800km. The first 1700km took 6 hours on a combination of Spainish light rail, high speed rail and a flight. The remaining 100km took 5 hours on a combination of three British trains, with a total of 3.5 hours of delays.
Our trains are now easily the worst and most expensive trains I have travelled on anywhere in the world.
Our trains are now easily the worst and most expensive trains I have travelled on anywhere in the world.
Amtrak has entered the chat.
Partner and I took Amtrak from Seattle to San Diego (roughly 2,000km apart)
The Amtrak trip took over 40hours and was easily 5x the price of flying.
I strongly support trains and travel options aside from driving and flying but goddamn has the US implemented rail travel in the worst way.
This was a while back, over a decade ago and I’d love to hear if its improved any.)
All told, the views of the west coast were spectacular and relaxing but still not enough to make up for the time/cost.
It hasn't. As a method of commuting or travel to get somewhere it's terrible. As a relaxing journey where the destination isn't the point, it's rather nice… assuming you have a room. And can afford it.
I took the train from Seattle to Philly via Chicago, and it was a really great trip. The food on the Empire Builder was actually good and included, and the observation car was the perfect place to hang out, play cards, and just watch the scenery go by.
You should visit Germany then... I'm willing to bet our DB train service is worse!
I never understood the complain of DB (and overall German trains), but I only use them once a year. Now for the ticket selling machines... Wtf designed these, they are easily the worst customer experience I've ever got on a ticket machine ever! Also the app. Why??
The fucking app is a perfect demonstration of what happens when a company has way too many middle managers who have to justify their existence somehow. So instead of helping to efficiently get people from A to B, they just keep "developing" features for like 0.01% of users.
I have taken the train in many countries, and Germany was one of the weirdest experiences because I expected deutsche Gründlichkeit and got one of the shittiest ticketing machines imaginable, then boarded a train after over an hour of waiting because all trains were delayed, but was told off for having the wrong ticket because it was a direct train and I bought a ticket for the snail train, which I didn’t know was a thing. The train stations were clean though.
Despite all the problems caused by privatisation generally, Chiltern Railways are considered to be one of the success stories. Turning round a failing line into a more reliable and higher frequency service.
Let’s hope GBR can continue to build on these improvements.
I'm a progressive but i am open to privatisation where it makes sense. The privatisation of public transit in UK seem to be successful. I'm in Ireland and the public transport here is shocking so I look to UK and I think it might not be a bad idea to privatise some routes. That being said, there is a fear of private transport companies cancelling unprofitable routes, especially in rural areas. Which in that case, the publicly funded buses or rails should remain servicing isolated areas.
Personally i think privatisation only truly works if actual competition can be had. But with trains in particular it's not like someone can start up a new company and have a competing line in the same place as an already existing one.
There are examples of successful competition from new operators in the UK. Eg Lumo offering a direct LNER competitor from Scotland to London, generally for cheaper tickets than LNER too.
Hull Trains restarted direct trains from Hull to London and also compete with LNER.
Grand Central started a bunch of routes in the north to London and aren’t, mostly, directly competing with LNER but run routes that previously required a connection.
The other two open access operators are Heathrow Express, and Eurostar.
Eurostar will soon face competition from Virgin Trains after space at the depot was allocated to them.
Companies frequently try to launch these services but it’s up to the Office of Rail and Road as to which get approved. They all have to run without subsidies, and none of them are being nationalised. They’ll continue to run the same as today, in the same was freight services will.
Rails are public and each company pays for the ability to send trains through them. I thonk that's how Spain works.
Privatisation was a disaster for buses, particularly in rural communities. It was a huge error in almost all cases for rail.
Much destruction and waste for... nothing. Can everyone agree that neoliberalism was a grift that now needs to end? (I already see one commenter defending it as something else.) I don't live in the U.K., but I've heard of councils turning streetlights off and reducing their services because they have 'no money'. From the outside looking in it looks bleak.
but I've heard of councils turning streetlights off and reducing their services because they have 'no money'. From the outside looking in it looks bleak.
Reducing light pollution is a positive thing.
I just received a meeting invitation from my local council, we are forecast to be over budget by £23 million each year for the next 4 years and they want public opinion on where we can cut. Fucking nowhere! My fault for being more northern than the PM I guess
But think about all the business people we enriched! That was really worth it imo. /s
I thought they were nationalizing the conductor at first.
This December it's Great Western Rail! Literally anything would be an improvement over what rail's been since COVID!
Funny you should bring that up, as that’s why the railways were effectively nationalised in 2020. This is the paperwork phase.
Jeez as a South African looking at our own nationalised train/railway service, called Transnet, all I can say is good luck Britain, really hope you do not follow our footsteps, please learn from us. Luckily thanks to all it's failures the government has started privatisation of certain parts with amazing success, similar to our Nationalised electricity provider Eskom being forced to allow private generation into the grid. Hopefully Britain has systems in place to ensure there isn't anything like corruption that loots funds through connected businesses or putting incompetent people loyal to the ruling party in charge as a form of rent seeking.
Good luck Britain, hopefully yours turns out great, like how I am hoping for privatisation to turn our railways around

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