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[–] 63 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Then they all stood up, looked to the flag and pledged allegiance under god.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Jesus Christ. This comment made me remember that American schools actually do that daily. It was like a repressed memory. I had to actually look it up to make sure it wasn't a fever dream or something. I never participated because even as a kid it just seemed so fucking weird to me. Nobody ever gave me shit about it. We weren't forced to do it or anything. But it was still a daily occurrence before the morning announcements.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    When I learned that we didn't have to do it I stopped. But my home room teacher was a veteran and he did not take it well. Sent me the principal's office (they just sent me back). A few other kids then stopped too.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I think the experiment worked pretty well.

    It showed that nazi ideals are juvenile.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    My kids idolize the garbage men and construction workers. Nothing wrong with that, but those are jobs whose purpose and value children immediately recognize. That is unlike, say, a virologist or insurance adjuster.

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  • [–] 106 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The problem is that it didn't carry on further. The beginnings of most ideologies sound fine but it's the reality and the shunning of "the other" where you start to see the horrors.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 month ago

    Yeah, the whole thing is that most of this sounds good until you have to be part of it as it plays out. It just gets worse, and worse, and the people become more, and more, polarized about the situation. The problems with the ideas, which should have been obvious from the beginning, start to take effect in ways that finally start to hurt the people it was proposed to support. Then the system goes into collapse.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    See, and even this could lead into a fantastic lesson about how fascism is really seductive in these vague terms, especially to help clean up a lot of the questions of "well why didn't people fight back" that teens have when learning about Italy and Germany pre-WWII.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 month ago (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Oh shit right, this movie exists. One of my teachers played this for us during high school. I was scammed so hard cause the only movie my classmates ever saw that had water polo in it was about nazis 💀

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  • [–] 46 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    The history teacher should have read up on blue eyes/brown eyes experiment and copied that one instead: https://appliedhuman.com/social-experiments,/sociology,/1968/2023/11/07/jane-elliott-blue-brown-eyes.html

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  • [–] 88 points 1 month ago

    It's easier to think of Nazis as just evil and incompetent. The uncomfortable truth is that a significant part of their platform was popular, especially in the beginning of their rule. They were also extremely competent early on, it wasn't until Hitler was in full on drug psychosis that things started going down hill. Expecting something the Nazis did, especially early on to be unpopular and a massive red flag is just foolish on the teacher.

    It would be better if we focused more on the uncomfortable parts of Nazi Germany. Their militarization efforts pulled them out of global recession faster than everyone else. Jewish segregation was inspired by the US treatment of African Americans. Jesse Owens was treated better in Nazi Germany than in the US despite being a national hero. The eugenics movement was also massively popular in the US and elsewhere. There was a lot of luck involved in the war in Europe going as well as it did, Germany winning wasn't ever really realistic unless the US aided them, but things could have been much worse.

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  • [–] 161 points 1 month ago*
    > fascism appeals to the stupidest, most brutish, hierarchy-oriented people in society
    > Give young teens a taste
    
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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago

    The true horror is asking the same questions again to the same people 8 years later... and getting the same answers again.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I doubt kids at the peak horny stage of their lives would be happy to be separated like that.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Didn‘t really complete the experiment. None of the horrors of such a system. Wait until one of them didn‘t want the job and wanted to do something else. Straight to a work camp. Or executed. Women forced to stay at home an bang out kids. Etc.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    The problem is that actually running such an experiment properly and bringing home the conclusion of the horrors of fascism would be grossly unethical and impossible to do. (Some university psychology/sociology courses did similar things in the 1960s, though experimental ethics rules back then were flimsy.)

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    [–] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I mean, I can imagine kids feeling a sense of purpose and belonging. That education is very palpable - girls that age fawn over babies and family life, and boys would rather work the fields as long as they get recognition for it. The open choice of what to do with your life is daunting, so the promise of actual skills instead of algebra is appealing. It's basically the return to "learn a trade" we're going through now.

    All in all, a suboptimal hangup for a negative Nazi image. Hitlerjugend etc. were popular programs. Like boy scouts but with (realistically probably "more") indoctrination.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago

    fake: anon goes to school

    gay: separated from girls

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    Wake up at 5am and do your bed and Iron your clothes before some dickhead screams you up a hill and then teaches you a class of shit you still don't care about? Then you get to shovel some pig shit?

    Wow. Sign me up.

    /S

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This was the premise of the TV movie The Wave that came out in the early 80s.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    The Wave is a movie about it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    To be fair learning to farm and do military shit sounds way funner than the actual crap you're doing throughout most of school.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Learning to do military shit was way less fun than school. A not inconsiderable amount of time is spent doing domestic chores. The rest of the time is spent sitting in class.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Legit we need to educate people on how fascism sells itself

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