Again for all those moderates in the front, moderate Democrats are worthless.

top 22 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [S] 68 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Two centrist Democrats, Reps. Jared Golden of Maine and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington, took the unusual step Tuesday of rescuing GOP leaders’ own agenda in the face of a conservative rebellion.

So what's the excuse this time members of the Republican-lite brigade?

  • source
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Don't worry, Golden is retiring from the house and he's likely to be replaced by Paul "I was Trump before Trump" LePage, so everything will be fine, right?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] [S] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Oh no, you'll get someone who will vote with the fascists! Oh wait...

    Vote for a non-fascist enabler in the primary you bunch of moderate do nothings.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago

    Republicans like Rep. Chip Roy refused to support a Senate-passed funding bill that didn’t allow House conservatives to insert their own priorities, like provisions against what they call “mass surveillance” or more money for President Donald Trump’s immigration agenda.

    There's some element of good in not letting them push for more ICE funding in letting this go through. Still would just as soon see nothing function and send them all home for now until we can seat a new batch.

  • source
  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    This is my shocked face.

  • source
  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    But Hasan Piker! Censure Ilhan Omar again for being Muslim! Bernie bros!

  • source
  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Democrats shocked after Democrats do the same thing they do every fucking time.

  • source
  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago
    [–] 16 points 2 months ago* (10 children)

    Ask a liberal which is worse, fascism or socialism and you might be surprised how many would say socialism is worse, if they were being honest. Not that they like fascism. Not at all, they hate it. They just hate socialism more. To them, fascism is the lesser of the two evils. And I'm not just making this up, a prominent liberal economist of the 20th century said it explicitly:

    As you will understand, it is possible for a dictator to govern in a liberal way. And it is also possible for a democracy to govern with a total lack of liberalism. Personally I prefer a liberal dictator to democratic government lacking liberalism.

    • Friedrich Hayek
  • source
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Under fascism, if you’re not from a scapegoat minority, you still get to practice your religion, and if you know your place and stay out of things that aren’t your business (such as political questions, lofty ideas about human rights, or why a new family suddenly moved into the Rosenzweigs’ house across the street), you get to keep what you have, and if you’re lucky, you might even get some slaves.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    Not for long with these fashies in charge, they are no Franco, not even mussolini. Like stalin but older and dumber. Maybe meaner even but the dumb moderates the mean somewhat.

    They will crash the economy, and ruin what remains of prosperity was what I meant to say.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Dictatorship and fascism aren't synonyms.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    That's true. Does that mean you agree with Hayek?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    He is right in the sense that there can be a benevolent dictator like Cinncinnatus who famously was made dictator, saved Rome from an invading army, and retired back to his farm after 16 days. At the same time a liberal democracy can vote that a minority ethnic group should all become slaves.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    At the same time a liberal democracy can vote that a minority ethnic group should all become slaves.

    That's not what Hayek was talking about when he referenced a "democratic government lacking liberalism." He was talking about Chile after the election of Salvador Allende, a socialist. Allende "sought to nationalize major industries, expand education, and improve the living standards of the working class." No mention of mass enslavement. Although his replacement, Augusto Pinochet, who was supported by Hayek and the US, tortured and/or murdered tens of thousands.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    The slavery thing is just an example. It's a tyranny of the majority thing inherent to pure democracy. Hayek's statement is right standing by itself. If he was alluding to a democratic society electing to be socialist when he was talking about a democratic government lacking liberalism, he is wrong. But that is to be expected from an economist. Most would rather give up democracy than capitalism.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Why would you even ask such a thing when fascism was already chosen a long time ago.

    Your example would hold much truer for a conservative in the US. Most of them are anti liberal (they don't know what it means but they hate it) and definitely would choose fascism. I don't think that most people who consider themselves liberal would pick fascism.

    Of course, the framing of the question is rather important. If you describe socialist policies without calling it that big bad scary word most people are very amiable to it.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    And yet when you describe the policies without labeling it, that shit gets like 70-90% support. Among everyone, but just liberals.

    This country has been permanently broken by decades of pervasive propaganda

  • source
  • parent
  • 14 comments in c/politics@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Two centrist Democrats, Reps. Jared Golden of Maine and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington, took the unusual step Tuesday of rescuing GOP leaders’ own agenda in the face of a conservative rebellion.

    Those Democrats backed a key GOP procedural vote that needed to succeed for Republicans to later bring several bills to the floor.

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    Fetterman is livid right now that he's in the wrong chamber and thus couldn't twerk for the GOP too.

  • source
  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Fuck Jared Golden. He's one step away from being a John Fetterman. Thankfully, Golden realizes he's a worthless piece of shit and has decided to not seek reelection.

  • source
  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Alternate source: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5984555-democrats-join-gop-vote-ndaa/

    The six House Democrats who voted for the NDAA are Reps. Henry Cuellar (Texas), Don Davis (N.C.), Jared Golden (Maine), Vicente Gonzalez (Texas), Adam Gray (Calif.) and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Wash.).

  • source
  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    There is no isle, its all the corporations told them to vote. The 'party' lines are just income based, and you are all surfs.

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [+] -22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    Imagine all those social media talking heads who kept saying "Blue no matter who"

    How do they feel about their vote now?

    Edit: apparently a few of them are here right now LMAO

  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    They probably feel their vote was forced by a choice of two and unfortunately the blue wasn't that blue. But they wouldn't have changed it to red if they had known. In a two choice system where you get three choices (no vote being one) and two result in red, what do you want them to do exactly?

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Golden and MGP might suck, but they both count towards a dem majority in the house and they both vote with the dems a hell of a lot more often than their GOP opponent would have had they won. So yeah, vote blue no matter who, because even these douchenozzles are better than the best Republicans.

  • source
  • parent