Throughout the history of this country, the struggle of the Black community for equality and democracy has been the main engine of progress.


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[–] 1 point 2 months ago (30 children)

But just because Trump wants to push through racist policies, doesn’t mean he’ll be able to get away with it.

The cognitive dissonance of Liberation Staff, in full display.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago (24 children)

    Where is the cognitive dissonance? Just because capitalists can desire something doesn't mean workers cannot organize against it. It's how all social struggles have been fought.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (23 children)

    Then where is the antifascist organization fighting against Trump’s executive branches?
    Literally the next post after this one is ICE and TPD doing mass raids on nightclubs, and everyone complying.
    Everyone.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 months ago (22 children)

    Continuing with the theme presented by the article, the PSL has been actively organizing strikes and protests. There are also other groups attempting to do similar forms of resistance. What does "fighting against Trump's executive branches" look like to you, where strikes do not fit in? What should people be doing instead?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (21 children)

    Strikes and protests are performances, you know this. The 2003 Strikes and protests didn't end ICE raids.
    Resistance is met with equal force, not bump stops.

    What does “fighting against Trump’s executive branches” look like to you

    An actual force, a militia. As in physically opposing an illegal regime.
    The days of performances was a generation ago.
    You're in the final gestalt of full project2025.

    What should people be doing instead?

    Demolishing deathcamps, destroying datacenters, uprooting fascist resources. You know, actual anti fascist actions. Not these nonfunctional appeals to public sentiments.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago (20 children)

    Strikes and protests are important forms of class struggle that develop millitancy and organization within the working class. You cannot jump from nowhere to a protracted guerilla war. It's the people that make revolution, not a tiny terrorist cell. Organizing builds a disciplined cadre that can help steer revolutionary movements in a positive direction, but they cannot create said conditions.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (19 children)

    If it's immediate. An entire generation went and died before millitancy and organization took place. The Obama Admin was the last warning showing Democrats will still continue the deathcamps. Or do still believe Americans have what it takes organize themselves?

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago (18 children)

    I'm not advocating for the democrats, I am advocating for organizing. A protracted guerilla war is not going to break the empire within the core at the moment, all of our efforts should be on organizing at the moment. Cynicism ties our hands.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (17 children)

    Then tell PSL & strikers to organize for warfare, as these performances haven't worked.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago (16 children)

    Orgs like PSL are rapidly growing. Strikes are helping push back ICE where they manage to kick off. Revolutionary organizing isn't something you can kick off through adventurism, a disciplined party and an organized working class that sees no other way out must be present. The people make revolution, not random adventurists.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (15 children)

    Then thank you for informing me PSL+strikers aren't disciplined in history, that the only way they see change can occur in the present is repeating mistakes.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    History teaches us that revolution is made by the people, not random adventurism. Marxists study the history of class struggle and revolutions. Starting a random guerilla war before the masses themselves are ready to take up arms just alienates the party from the rest of the masses.

    Let's try an example. Where would you start your guerilla war? Against what targets?History teaches us that revolution is made by the people, not random adventurism. Marxists study the history of class struggle and revolutions. Starting a random guerilla war before the masses themselves are ready to take up arms just alienates the party from the rest of the masses.

    Let's try an example. Where would you start your guerilla war? Against what targets? With what people, and what weapons? If you're depending on others to follow your lead, then I ask, why do you want to repeat mistakes of failed revolutions?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (13 children)

    Calling Appalachians “adventurists” is quite the illuminating take I see.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago (12 children)

    You're fully capable of answering my questions and engaging with my point. I never condemned the coal wars, I asked you specifically what you think is necessary right now. No vague platitudes.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (11 children)

    What should people be doing instead?

    Demolishing deathcamps, destroying datacenters, uprooting fascist resources. You know, actual anti fascist actions. Not these nonfunctional appeals to public sentiments.

    Do I also need to teach you how to reclaim arms that belong to the proletariat?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago (10 children)

    Let’s try an example. Where would you start your guerilla war? Against what targets? With what people, and what weapons? If you’re depending on others to follow your lead, then I ask, why do you want to repeat mistakes of failed revolutions?

    These are the questions I asked. It all sounds good, but how do you actually do it?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (9 children)

    How do I organize the strikers to go deathcamps, demolish them, go to datacenters and destroy them, go to fascist headquarters and uproot them, when you said they intend to protest and strike instead? Are you asking me if I have the answer to convince the historically illiterate stubborn strikers how to effectively praxis antifascism?
    Because if I did, it would have occured in 2003. I have failed to convince the performists performances do not work. I have failed to amass a militia ready to fight for what matters. I have failed to lead the unwilling.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

    So in other words, you understand that the people make revolution, not adventurists, so that the actual necessity for revolution is to organize the working classes and educate them so that they better understand their place in the struggle, rather than engaging in random terrorism without the people behind you. You're just cynical about the whole project, and don't grasp how consciousness actually changes among the working classes.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah, 4 red scares, and a brain drain of class consciousness does that to anyone literate. Do enlighten me how the strikers have secured food for their next generation. Do they own their shelters? Do they own their means?
    You can't revolt without even securing the basic needs.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    You're arguing that the existing socialist parties should be launching guerilla wars, correct? Why do you agree that the primary task right now is organizing and education, and that parties do not make revolution, they steer it, yet still claim adventurism is the only acceptable path?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    Consistently I’ve advocated for antifascist actions. Guerrilla tactics are the ONLY thing you keep advocating, which we know doesn't work at uprooting fascism. I am beginning to assuming you don't know what it takes to make decentralized organized militias able to operate independently and exchange cooperatively in ongoing anti fascist teardowns. An uneducated class is a blind class. It cannot usher a revolution based on ignorance and proven bad tactics.
    The only person insinuating adventurism and 🚩terrorism🚩 is you.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    I'm arguing for educating, agitating, and organizing. The masses make the revolution. Again, it seems like you're frustrated that the people aren't already taking up arms, and the groups that are trying to raise class consciousness are somehow either not effective enough at it or are harming the movement because the masses aren't already taking up arms. It's a circular, self-defeating analysis.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Do the masses make revolution, or do parties?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    The fact you are asking means no revolution will be dealt.
    The masses are a party.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago

    No, the masses are not a party. Otherwise, the masses would already be organized. Parties are specific social groups and form subsets of broader classes. I'm asking you if revolution is made by having a party start a guerilla war with no mass support, or by the masses themselves, under the guidance and support of a worker party.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Statists typically don't understand how the state works to reinforce the oppression of the capitalist system. They naively think the system will save them from itself.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Do you think a socialist state is the same as a capitalist state? How do socialist states reinforce capitalism?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    All states, by the nature of hierarchical authority structures, will always seek to oppress those they have authority over in order to maintain that social power.

    Socialist states are not immune to this function of systemic structure.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago

    I'm familiar with the slogan, but that just doesn't track with the results for the working classes once they have achieved a worker state. Why is it that in countries like Cuba, where the working classes take power, we see mass land redistribution, huge literacy campaigns, an end to the old slave-based system, and a more equitable society? Why is this immense upliftment of working people consistent across all socialist states?

    Ultimately, the reason socialist states deliver such starkly different results is that states do not exist outside of the class struggle. States exist to entrench and uplift the ruling class of society. When workers own and control the state, they can and do use it for mass upliftment with an expansion of democratization for the whole of society.

    Hierarchy is not the problem. Class is the problem. Our social relations to ownership of the means of production play a massive role on what our interests actually are. When the state is owned and run by workers, who share the same level of ownership as the rest of the working classes, they share the same class interest in continuing to collectivize society. This isn't merely trusting ideology, but a genuine recognition of material interests aligning.

    Under capitalism, the ruling class is the capitalist class. Even in the Nordic countries, where welfare is higher, welfare is both shrinking and still ultimately depends on benefiting from the system of imperialism. Socialism doesn't need imperialism, nor is it compelled to become imperialist. Capitalism must eventually turn to imperialism to continue to function, as capital needs to expand, or else it dies.

    All of these critical differences hammer home that it's not enough to say "states are bad." We have to investigate why socialist states and capitalist states benefit dramatically different sections of society, and this answer returns to Marx: it's because of the differences in the ruling class.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Knowledgable statists are one thing, ignorant ones are the zeitgeist. The campist below you comprehends both are ultimately going to resist at poll booths. Not as the deathcamped, die. For both our sakes, I didn't engage in the history of PSL snitches and cop-pologies. I could read the cop above.

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