It's kinda annoying opening the community and seeing posts made only by a single person bot that posts so much that actually genuine content get suffucated, i think we all know who i talk about (if not, it's Sanitation), they don't even link the original post (which i know it's not obbligatory but cmon..!) I can block them though so it's only mildly infuriating, though, it makes genuine posters have less comments (and so discussion)
Please, if you are a mod and read this, i ask to take action and if you are not a mod, please feel free to discuss about that with me and everyone else

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[–] 39 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

I've been conflicted about Sanitation for a while.

On one hand, it's more content. I open Lemmy, and I see a dozen articles that wouldn't be there otherwise. Sometimes they interest me, and I read them. In that case, I suppose I should appreciate that it was shared at all

But on the other hand, all those posts rarely turn into conversations. Sanitation isn't hanging around to talk about what they found, they're already looking for the next batch of posts to steal. I've put a tag on them, so even if I do end up reading one of their posts, I avoid voting and commenting. At worst, I'm talking to a robot, or at best, I'm just yelling into the void.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    They just posted an AI slop image of cats in a PC tower masquerading as a personal post of something that really happened. That was enough to convince me to block.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    At first I read this and was like, "Wait, who?" I went back to the main page and tried seeing any posts by that name. I tried every sort-type and didn't see it. So I looked up the name directly.

    Found the profile. In the corner, I saw the button: "Unblock user."

    Ha! No wonder I didn't recognize the name. - turns out I already blocked them some time ago! I rarely block anybody, their posts must have overwhelmingly been utter garbage to make it onto that short list.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I'm still not sure who we're talking about....

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    I think people that say lemmy is full of content and by posting content im "suffocating an active community" are kind of losing their story if username of an active user is that recognizable. I think lemmy is starved for content and it shows, thare are just no or very little contributors.

    It is truly confusing why would lemmy attempt to stop an active contributor given total lack of content.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It’s the low effort you put into it. Quantity is not necessarily quality.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago

    It's memes. All of this crap on lemmy is just stolen content for 99% of it. Not sure what you think lemmy is, it's reddit just decentralized and this quality content complaint is just bizarre. All this content gets recycled through all major networks reddit, x, 4chan, Facebook etc.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    With no horse in the race, I think it's just a reaction to seeing your name everywhere. The fedv genuinely isn't that used to activity and everyone is understandably suspicious in the Age of Slop. I'd like to say that maybe if you proved your humanity blah blah blah, but realistically that wouldn't be anywhere near enough

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I agree with you. I think it's a bot and thus should be banned, as per the rules.

    Just block and move on is okay for trolls and sock puppets. I don't think that's a good strategy for bots. You don't see them any more but they keep posting using bandwidth. They're building up a profile with engagement that will make it harder to get banned down the line when they start using the account for something worse.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I don't see a rule against bots, the spam rule seems to be about crossposting.

    Edit: nvm, I can't read. It is against the rules. Im not certain sanitation is a bot, he probably just has a reposting tool but I think he is curating what he chooses to repost.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    will make it harder to get banned down the line when they start using the account for something worse

    You get banned per community, afaik you can't be banned from the total Fediverse by anyone. I dont think an account with more engagement is less likely to get banned for posting bad stuff.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You can be banned from a instance

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    For me it’s the apparent vote manipulation that is really pissing me off. At 40-50 posts a day it seems like they are a bot but they could also just have no life whatsoever or a really really boring job (or both).

    But I keep seeing them hit the front page over and over with posts that have 40-50 upvotes in an hour and 0 comments. I just don’t see how that’s possible unless they are bot votes.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Usually my posts take at least 2 hours to get more than 30 upvotes so i guess, but also it seems that this community has a lil more users reacting

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Sure but this post also has 9 separate comment threads in 4 hours in addition to 70+ upvotes from what I can see. I’m not saying that every post is going to look the same but typically a highly upvoted post will have several comments. Given the typical ratio of comments to votes it seems like a weird pattern to me.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (4 children)

    vote manipulation

    could you clarify to me - what do you mean by vote manipulation? what potential interest or gain could anyone possibly have from lemmy votes?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I’m not sure how I could be any clearer about what I mean.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    atomicbocks @sh.itjust.works Posts 0 Joined 2 yr. ago

    no no. I get what you want. no content.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    sounds like a cm0002 copycat.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)
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    cm0002 was awhile back from my perspective but I have blocked many many of his alts. It was a guy with a thing in his craw for "tankies" and he felt the best way to express it was to make posts in .world that were copies of ones from .ml in order to suppress .ml I guess. I would not have realized but I was posting devils panties to a .ml comics thing and he was doing it and it kinda was annoying me as in my own feed I would see his over mine because I read by most recent. Basically within an hour he would repost. I thought he was a bot but talked with him. Here is the think I was like. Well if you will post devils panties every day I can just stop and just see it in your posts. he was like no. so basically he would only do it for his repost mission but would not make a point of doing it himself to add content to the fediverse. it was kinda funny because I started posting in various other ways and got it to the point where I would post just text saying hey todays devils panties was real fun because or whatnot. He would post with the url and everything even though that was not in my post. so he would do all the work if I posted. If I did not post anything though then he would not post. At that point it was. Wow. This guy just has mental problems.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Nope not a bot, just a simple script that monitors .mls rss fed and fires notifications to my phone

    Why am I cross-posting .ml content?

    I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to help vitalize non-.ml comms and make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some active niche comms.

    Megathread on the issue

    Some highlights from the link:

    Dessalines, head .ml admin, lead Lemmy dev actively spreading genocide denialism https://sh.itjust.works/post/61371958

    .ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068

    "If you don't support Russia then you just don't understand geopolitics" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

    "Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

    "See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

    "NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

    General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

    And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

    I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda

    On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like "Lemmy? Isn't that the place with a bunch of tankies?" Or "Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left". The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    I wish I could use regex for blocks as doing cm0002@* would be nice.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I feel like that would need to be .* but im kinda wondering if you need to do something for the at but I can't for the life of me think if at is used for anything. you could do the keyword block thing but im worried about using that to much. I have not seen an alt of his in awhile so im guessing I have them all blocked at this point but man has to be more than a dozen. When I go through my block list I have to scroll for a bit to get passed his.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (13 children)

    Linking to Reddit is against community rules.

    Idk, I think it isn't actually automated and he is picking the content he reposts. I don't really see a harm to it when Lemmy is sometimes starving for content.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    He makes 1,078 posts per month (according to the "activity" stat) which means it's roughly 30 posts per day, there is no way a human makes 30 posts per day without automations of some sort

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    automation is not forbidden by lemmy.world rules

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    So you admit it at least (which i didn't expect looking at your bio), though is it good? Especially doing it on such a scale? Can you at least tone it down, because right now it gets annoying pretty fast and you are suffucating the genuine content which is a turn off for some posters which also goes against your mission, please consider posting less

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    suffucating the genuine content

    where is it? where is the genuine content everyone referencing?
    everythnig on lemmy is stolen from 4chan, reddit and X.
    Why is this my fault that I can do it faster!?
    I feel like people complaining simply dont want lemmy grow, I want lemmy grow and truly replace reddit. I dont want to go back to reddit.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    everythnig on lemmy is stolen from 4chan, reddit and X.

    Not everthing, also, this logic is so stupid "everyone is doing X thing so why i shouldn't?" kids think like this, what if we just try to make genuine content instead of reposting and nothing else? the worst thing is that communities like this are about yourself the poster, so it makes zero sense to repost, I can understand reposting some stuff you also find mildly infuriating bit you cannot tell me that 30 repost per day are genuine "i think like this too!"

    I want lemmy grow and truly replace reddit. I dont want to go back to reddit.

    The PLEASE make content or if you have to repost don't suffucate the little we have with endless reposts, you do more harm than good, 2/3 reposts per day? Eeh tollarable but fucking 20 or 30 it's not

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    If you look at his comments they are is kinda unhinged

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Other than the most recent one where he's responding to someone in all caps, I don't see it. The all caps response comes off as someone tired of all the complaining, not necessarily unhinged.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Yeah that's what the block button is for. Blocking is a great method for content curation.

    Reddit had a ton of accounts like this, and I loved blocking every one of them. That clearly wasn't the majority opinion, though.

    I think that mods should only take action if it's too difficult to moderate or the posts are doing consistently poorly. Not a mod, though, so what do I know?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    Unfortunately the fact that you need 400 billion fucking things blocked to make this place less annoying... means that it is annoying. Bot accounts and communities that already exist fifty thousand other fucking places with no activity are way too trivial to spin up

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I've blocked maybe a dozen accounts that probably aren't even active anymore.

    Is everybody else just raw dogging ALL instead of making a subscription list?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    To a degree, yes, how do you build that list otherwise? Most "communities" are duds with no activity. And poor support for aggregating even identically named communities across instances means all of this is a real chore. And how do you even find the relevant ones anyway? I keep whining about discoverability on here but that's just because it sucks

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I definitely agree with you there. Finding the communities is not easy.

    I think when I first started I went through a 411 list and just started adding things that sounds interesting. Many of them still haven't had any content since I joined, but if they ever do, I'll catch it.

    I also follow /new communities, and every now and then I'll join a fresh one if it sounds fun. Again, they may not go anywhere, but I'll know if they do.

    Otherwise, I search for things when they randomly pop in my head, or if someone else on here mentions one in particular. Or if I'm bored, I'll switch to all and see if anything catches my eye.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Social media as a whole has been abysmal about allowing content to be cited, linked, or tracked back to original sources. I consider it a fundamental flaw to solve. Imgur was one attempt but big tech was way too greedy and every site wanted to host (read: own) anything that gets posted. This could be one of the genuinely useful problems for AI to help tackle.

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    I guess that's why it's mildly infuriating instead of extremely infuriating, it's a small matter that can be solved easily.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Yea, but it still makes genuine posters have less comments though (and so discussion)


    Hey! Look at that, we almost recreated the original post in its entirety inside of the comments!!!

    Sorry, I'm overly pedantic and snarky and actually annoying. Just noticed it wanted to point that out. All in good fun. I see myself out now. :)

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    if not, it's Sanitation), they don't even link the original post (which i know it's not obbligatory but cmon..!)

    sweetie. I tried adding links at first. Then the same people like you are complaing about how much they hate reddit and dont want any reddit links.
    choose as a coomunity what you want links or no links, then come to me. Only this is lemmy - you wont agree on anything.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You have posted multiple times an hour for the past 48+ hours if you are not a bot I'm concerned for your health...

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Maybe don't just regurgitate endless posts from Reddit?

    Like, this community for example, post here if YOU experience something mildly infuriating. What would be the point of a repost? So we can all circle jerk about hating X company or provide advice to a person that isn't even here to read it?

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