cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/31072292

Summary:

I downvoted pro-AI comments in a post in leftymemes community. It was LLM generated polandball comic (Which is objectively pathetic as fuck) that showed up on my feed, blocked couple of users who I thought were unhinged, and have blocked the whole instance on my client after realizing how rabid these morons are.

I didn't go looking for AI posts like a vigilante.

One user in question got miffed for being downvoted and banned me from places they moderate.

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[–] 18 points 1 year ago

Broke the rules, got punished for it. YDI.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I immediately block any community built on slop. I would be elated if they did the work for me.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If only people would follow your example instead of bullying and harassing our mods.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    I have been banned from at least two slop communities for that reply. The moron in charge really got me. I can't contribute nothing to society now.

    Guess it's time to hang up my hat, walk up the stairs, say bye to mom and dad, and go outside and touch grass.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I have also been banned from some stupid communities because of mods who just ban users from everything they mod. Being banned removes the ability to block the community, but doesn't hide it from All.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You can, but that only works if they are vanity subs where they are the only poster. Those tend to show up a lot when sorting by scaled even if the only activity is the mod replying to their own post.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I understand but there's only so many contributing members of the larger multi user communities. They are touching the poop and therefore their opinions about anything else don't matter to me. I can block all the users I see in communities I now can't block as a whole. I'd rather just kill the hydra but if I need to I'll cut each head off myself.

    Not being able to block communities after being banned seems like a poor decision was made during the development of this site.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Upvotes and downvotes aren't a "I like/dislike this" button, they're meant to highlight comments that are contributing positively and constructively to the discussion, showcase insightful comments, or to filter out irrelevant content.

    YDI for misusing the buttons.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Seems fair enough to me. Why would a mod of a genAI community want people with a history of being anti-genAI in their community causing problems? And why would you even want to go visit that community in the first place, unless you wanted to cause problems. Imo this is a win-win situation. YDI.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    You think it's good for mods to ban anyone and everyone who downvotes to create an echo chamber where only those who fully support them are left?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    It's an art sharing community, not a debate forum.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    So you do think people should be banned for not liking something and voting their opinion?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    When it starts to become disruptive to the running of the community, and the enjoyment of the community users, then it's entirely justified imo.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Downvoting posts because you specifically dislike them isn't disruptive. I never went and downvoted the whole community, and no one else did. This grand conspiracy of brigading is just that, a conspiracy. People just hate AI slop. Deal with it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    If you pay attention to most normal people, they actually are infatuated with gen AI slop and it's sort of cringe, I work at a large company and half of the people's profile pictures on our communication application are gpt ghibleified images of themselves. Hating image generation is fairly common in these online circles, but overall the average population seems to like it.

    Personally I would never refer to image generation as art, but image generation in itself is honestly a super cool and fascinating technology.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I think different communities can be run in different ways. And yes in some comms you'll be banned for "voting your opinion"

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's still PTB, you always think about whether or not you could but you don't think about whether you should.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I mean, sure whatever. You're entitled to your opinion. But I'll take the opportunity to say that you going back to the other thread and bellyaching multiple times that I wasn't sufficiently respectful to you is hilarious. But otherwise, no your recent dozen comments on a 2 day old thread trying to ignite a flamewar isn't trolling for drama noooo.

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    [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Eh I think this post is just attempting to keep the drama going now that the original died down.

    Stick to judgement about the bans, don't start rehashing and slap fights about genai here.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm not I was simply posting about what happened which is that the mod bans anyone who downvotes them or their community.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think you're a wee bit biased here.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    The entitlement is running strong in those anti-GenAI evangelists, thinking they can just wander into someones home turf and behave like shit, and then complain if there are consequences. YDI

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    To be fair, the typical defenses of that technology are the most maddeningly empty headed shit I've ever read, including conversations with real life fascists and work with people deep into senility.

    Listening to enough of them has genuinely given me a substantial vein of anti human 'most of this is just unrefrigerated meat, there is no spark of intellect, no consviousness, no beauty to be found here' type thought.

    I wouldn't go into '/stable diffusion fruit' to throw a fit about it, but my first instinct when someone says that tech is good is just straight up assuming, whether its on silicon or meat; the thing im talking to is not a person in any way that matters to me.

    Im occasionally wrong, and have to adjust course, but it has become an unsettling oft confirmed default which i very much resent.

    I just really want to emphasize here:

    this technology is often defended with a stupidity so profound and so stubborn that it has broken the last shreds of my love for humanity, a love for humanity that survived being thrown away onto the street like trash as a child, no small amount of rape abuse life unhoused and tending to those who had suffered so much worse than I. In its place that stupidity has awakened a creeping suspicion that there never was such a thing as 'humanity', and I'm utterly alone in a howling void.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I might be able to give you another perspective.

    This technology is the first time that humankind has ever been able to create an interactive snapshot of human culture. Everything thats been written, scanned, drawn has made their mark on those models, and it gives you glimpses in what else there might be in the human cultural space. It's not intelligence, but it's distilled human culture.

    I am very critical about the fact that this technology is mainly in the hands of corporations that want to use it as a cost cutting tool. I am also not a fan that GenAI is pushed into everything just to get sweet investor money. I am far less alarmed about the productivity increases themselves, or about copyrights which are normally only wielded as a weapon by the rich.

    The power consumption argument doesn't even apply here - the generation of those images does not cost more energy than playing a computer game for 2 minutes, is often done on consumer grade hardware (like the one running here now while i type this), and the training of the models is not necessarily very power hungry if done smart (deepseek used a fraction of the power that GPT4o needed). Also, with the massive expansion of solar power generation (we're at the point where the price starts becoming negative at peak solar output) the power itself starts becoming a non-factor.

    Copyrights themselves are a clusterfuck, which is an statement that many artists would agree with. I personally wish for the following (copied from the vote-thread regarding the rule we're discussing):

    I would make a case for creation of datasets by a international institution like the UNESCO. The used data would be representative for world culture, and creation of the datasets would have to be sponsored by whoever wants to create models out of it, so that licencing fees can be paid to creators. If you wanted to make your mark on global culture, you would have an incentive to offer training data to UNESCO.

    I hope i could give you a bit hope in humanity back - there are still idealistic people out there.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    Again, its not even the technology, its the typical advocate of it. Its the fuckers who defend it as everything it's not, against all evidence.

    I'm aware it can be a neat little toy. It even has niche uses in a lab. Not worth the perfect sociological attack vector it seems to be. Trying to convince that it's not your friend, doesn't love you, and isn't making art, and the kind of pushback i get from that, is the real black pill here.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Maybe don't assume all people who support or are interested in a certain thing are the exact same people would be a nice start.

    I often wonder about antiAI opinions such as "it isn't making art" what differentiates art to you? When it genuinely does create things that are not already in existence, how do you square that circle?

    When people say LLMs are just fancy autocomplete, and I ask it to check an entire nodered flow for logic issues and it points out valid and interesting things I overlooked when designing it, how exactly do you determine that's autocomplete? Because I've used autocomplete or intellisense or whatever and this is leaps and bounds beyond those capabilities.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I said 'i find im wrong sometimes'

    But this reads like 'not all men' so im gonna spare myself the rest of your comment.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm attempting good faith discussion on something I find interesting, but you do you.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    I told you how arguing about this with enthusiasts who don't know what the fuck they're talking about has effected me, and you're still trying to tell me how your cool toy is actually magic tho.

    You're "not all men"ing me about my problem with people who "not all men" about their fucking favorite toy. Not even the first in this thread to do it.

    That's like three layers of the oblivious piece of shit version of, like, reverse FLN recursion; a kind of active anti-consciousness.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I'm not I just want you to actually explain your position instead of hand waiving away large swaths of people as idiots, but if you're just going to grandstand I don't really see a point and we should just stop here.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't owe you shit though.

    If you're actually curious, and don't just want to harass me about it, there are ways you could find out without bugging me, which i said in pretty strong terms i dont love to discuss. Simple, easy ways. Really really strong terms.

    But this isn't even about the technology itself. This is about the scum who defend it. Its the 'rick and morty' of computers.

    This is about you, and your recursive piece-of-shit-ness.

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  • You claim this is about how the technology is defended, and we both gave you pretty good arguments, i didn't see any from you yet except neboluos accusations and a pretty uncalled for "not all men" quip. I was hoping for civil discourse here and that you can see that not everyone who uses this technology is a accelerationist crypto tech bro, and i only see one person here behaving like the thing you want to criticize - not open to arguments, passive-aggressive, resorting to ad hominem.

    Maybe don't talk to people who don't know what the fuck they are talking about if they trigger you so much, but for sure don't use the same measure if you are talking with people who know what the fuck they are talking about, that doesn't suit you.

    Read the thread again. Take a good look in the mirror. Your behavior here is out of line, and you know it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I downvoted an AI post once and a mod banned me from multiple AI subs for being involved in "Vote manipulation".

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    YDI. !fuck_ai@lemmy.world is cringe. Let people enjoy things

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    mm yes under 1 day old account

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    I never check...I just ramble until it eventually breaks. To some degree I am just trying to see if freedom of speech exsist on Lemmy. I am on a mission. Also curious how the whole banning thing is gonna pan out. It is like you paint yourself into a corner that is a circle jerk. Such is life. Online life is really just projection so I lean in.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    I banned you and I banned that dipshit who posted on Fuck_AI and I have no regrets. You are awful people and your behavior is harmful to this community. YDM. If lemmy.dbzer0.com wasn't as lenient as it is you'd have instance bans from here as well.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Gotta love how now db0 is under the ire of .world because have our own rules and way of doing things.

    Also that one weird alt account claiming to be you and oddly talking about pigs is fucking weird.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What, you don't love people bitching that they can't walk into special interest communities and break their rules?

    I bet you don't like dummies in the comments trying to get the instances to defederate either, and that's ableism or something.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Can you unban me from your AI slop communities and apparently Europe ?? so I can Block the communities so they don't show up in the All feed? Apparently that option goes away with a Ban so I still have to see your slop and a community I can no longer participate in.

    I promise not to 'systemically downvote' those communities first, whatever the fuck that means.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You can absolutely block communities when you are banned from them, this is one of the most sad and pathetic excuses to be unbanned I've ever heard, request denied.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    PTB. If OOP went to that sub and started mass downvoting it would be one thing, but it looks like they were banned for actions on a completely different sub? That's pretty unhinged, broski.

    Judgement redacted due to special circumstances.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    ThIs is the sort of abuse the mod is getting, simply for moderating a genAI community. And it's not the first time. That's why there's a zero tolerance policy in those communities.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hey @TheDude@sh.itjust.works @imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works @kersploosh@sh.itjust.works @InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works would you be able to investigate this user and potentially permaban them for transphobia, trolling and impersonation of another instance's moderator?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Hmm...this repost is really making me regret softening my stance in the original thread yesterday.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I think the mod in question has a simple script that bans anyone who comments in the fuckAI sub.

    I caught a ban and I am definitely not anti-AI.

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  • [+] [S] -9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I think the mod in question has a simple script that bans anyone who comments in the fuckAI sub.

    That's actually worse, do you not see how that's worse, how that's even more PTB?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Except that you two completely fabricated this "simple script" story. So you are arguing against a strawman.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 1 year ago

    I didn't make that story, he did. Learn some reading comprehension. Also it doesn't matter, mod is a PTB regardless banning people for downvoting or external participation. Both of those things are awful and power-tripping behavior.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I never said I approved. I was literally banned as well...

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    Yeah, also very obvious attempt at impersonation, to try and make me look bad.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    These people are fucking unhinged. According to them AI is bad, but ongoing transphobic trolling campaigns towards someone who moderates an genAI community is fine and dandy? Glad they've got their priorities straight.

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm so sorry that happened to you. We need a safe space for Anti-AI people.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    i fear this post isnt going to spark much drama due to the instance ban so heres what im thinking i think you should make an alt account and cross post this to !yptbcirclejerk@lemmy.dbzer0.com also maybe try to make this post more interesting by for example you can sprinkle in some lies

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I'm so sorry that happened to you.

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    I'm so sorry this happened to you.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    poop him in jail

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