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[–] 18 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Why not do it rn? I mean, show how serious your commitment is

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    That's not really how the political cycle works. An expensive policy like this needs to be taken to an election, so people can decide whether they really think it's a good idea. If they get elected then they have a mandate to implement it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (9 children)

    Yeah, nah

    Unless they’re lying and don’t intend to follow through, they’ve budgeted for it or it’s been costed. The public won’t disapprove of it by majority.

    That sounds like an engineered Labor PR excuse to be honest.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Sorry mate, I don't know what to tell you. This is how the political cycle works. Announce a big policy and take it to an election so the public can decide whether they want it.

    The public won’t disapprove of it by majority.

    You don't know that. It's an expensive policy, and plenty of people with private health insurance would feel like their taxes are subsidising the bad decisions of the poors.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    I don’t know what to tell you

    Yeah don’t try and condescend. Labor had no dramas handing out billions over AUKUS without taking that to an election. So no, it’s how it works when Labor wish to pork barrel, and that’s exactly what they’re doing here.

    You don’t know that

    Yeah, I do. It’s free dental, of course the majority would want it, particularly Victoria which might be our most progressive state.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    If everyone wants free dental then why isn't it already a thing?

    If it's such a no-brainer with obvious unilateral support then why isn't it included in medicare? Or why doesn't every state government implement it?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    why isn’t it already a thing

    Probably because the majors haven’t had a political reason until now

    why isn’t it included in Medicare

    Same reason. Have you noticed that for years the better option has wanted it?

    You understand how our politics works don’t you?

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    why doesn’t every state

    They do, to health care card holders

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Sorry boss, you don't seem to understand how our politics works.

    Why haven't the majors had a political reason until now? Every major party has wanted to be elected since forever. If this is such a straight shot, an obvious win, why hasn't one of the major parties just done it?

    the better option

    That's subjective, obviously: I'm not sure who your "better option" is but given that we do not have free dental I can only conclude that this better option is a minor party. This might shock you but minor parties can just make up whatever policies will gather votes for them because they don't have to form government and actually implement them.

    health care card holders

    We're not talking about only health care card holders.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    why haven’t…

    Probably because there’s been plenty of other things to pork barrel on.

    The problem with your hypothesis is that these parties just go ahead and do costly things without waiting for the electorate anyway.

    that’s subjective

    No it isn’t, they’re better by every metric and if you don’t know who I’m talking about…I don’t know what to say to you. Furthermore, they stand up for us and the disadvantaged, whereas Labor are happy to let American tech companies kick people off the NDIS to fund submarines sold by pedophiles. Or let gas companies take our resources for nothing. Or let gambling companies advertise to whomever they like.

    this might shock you

    This chestnut again. Labor relies on the Greens and independents to pass pretty much anything decent and when they want to default to cruelty, they need the Coalition. They’re not too bad at stealing minor party policies either…the Greens have argued for state funded dental for years plus the reversal of CGT and negative gearing on housing.

    Labor’s had no interest in these until it’s politically expedient, and used one to cover their cowardice in selling out the nations sovereignty and cruelty. Which btw they teamed up with ON and the Coalition to do on both occasions. All three, if we include gambling ads.

    form government

    I thought they did that with Rudd/Gillard

    implement them

    Which Labor, for all its power, can’t do without Green or Coalition help either. We notice where Labor runs when they want to kick down.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Lets leave it there shall we. If you genuinely believe that a party can be better by every metric but fail to form government, then I can't help you understand politics. Well done.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Let's hope that he is successful, and that it takes off

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    hooray for the evil faction of the lesser evil party

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I'll take less evil over PHON or something similar

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Thank god we have preferential voting. It must be death being a leftist in the US and having to deal with the annoyance of criticising the obviously right wing Democrats and having "centrists" tell them not to because it's helping the Republicans.

    Well, I have encountered Labor members like this, but luckily most people don't because preferential voting exists.

    I'll take Labor over the LNP and PHON, but heck, the Labor party is pretty shit too, and we need not support it

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I vote for the greens, or the local equivalent every time

    I don't always agree with them, and I miss DeNatali as their leader because he was actually scientifically literate, but they're leagues better than the other parties, particularly in my home of Tasmania

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Not close either, is it?

    Federally, they’re miles in front of Labor on every metric. They’re now beginning to show some foreign policy skill and spine in the way their Senators, particularly Shoebridge, are dealing with the Israel issue.

    They have good policies, good people and they know how to govern, unlike the claims that Labor PR, who are as piss weak as their party, want to push.

    I’ve been voting Green for 35 years. They’ve always been better than Labor.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    To be implemented in full in 2045… lol the dental association and the AMA will execute you if you make their members less profitable

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    The private dental clinic we use support state funding for dental services.

    They say it would bring many more in and stabilise appointments. They’ve been urging the local federal MP to support it for years.

    They’re the best dentist here as well, by a long way.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago

    The stink of desperation is palpable

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