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[–] 59 points 2 months ago* (47 children)

The other joke here is that Trump being a fat fuck weighs the same as the other 3

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, but none of them aren't fat.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Putin doesn't seem fat, just stocky, like Russian men generally. None of them are anywhere close to as obese as Trump.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (41 children)

    Is it shameful to be fat or something?

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (23 children)

    Being fat? No.

    Being a fat fuck? Yes.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago (22 children)

    What's the issue with being a "fat fuck"?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Then why include the adjective? Why is Trump weighing as much as the other three a joke?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    It's a heavy (pun?) bias on the "being a fuck" part. The fat part is simply observational

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (16 children)

    It becomes hurtful toward fat people when made part of the insult. It's played like "dumb fuck" or "gay fuck", putting an adjective in front of an insult makes that adjective part of the insult.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    Image DescriptionTumblr post by fluoresensitive: Small penises aren't bad, balding isn't bad, being short isn't bad, being fat isn't bad. Physical traits are not signs of morality, and the sooner people stop mocking people for their bodies (yes, even when they're bad) the better.

    User uxji responds with a drawing of a stick-person labeled "You" holding a gun labeled in red "Bodyshaming" firing to the right at a stick-person labeled "Guy u don't like but will not care" who is deflecting the shot to the left which hits a third stick-person labeled "Person you care about with the same trait who now knows you think they're ugly"

    User cretaceousundead responds: Like another tumblr post said "when you make fun of a bad person for their appearance, somewhere there's a good person with a similar appearance who hears you and feels terrible"

    screenshot of three tumblr posts explaining that bodyshaming as a way to insult one's enemies is bad because it causes innocent people to feel bad about themselves while not affecting the intended targets

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I get what this picture is saying, but I'd like to point out this is an issue that was never a problem outside of celebrity before the turn of the millennium. I say if used in defence with private issues, use whatever works if the collateral damage is only imagined people, just don't make hating a part of your identity.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I don't understand what you're point is, do you know that there are no fat people present that could be hurt by this?

    Do you think that promoting bodyshaming when those shamed aren't present is ok?

    Also what's this about it not being a problem before the turn of the millenium?? Are you gonna start whining about woke millenials and cancel culture next?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    I mean this is only a society wide issue when dealing with the social media panopticon.

    If you are for example dealing with a bully in person, they don't respond to the pressures of society correctly, attacking any of their insecurities is fair game if it will correct the behaviour or otherwise keep them away.

    Who the hell would think "oh no, there's someone across the globe that might have a hurt feeling if they knew about this private conversation"?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    Who the hell would think "oh no, there's someone across the globe that might have a hurt feeling if they knew about this private conversation"?

    I'm pretty sure they were trying to say that continuing to normalize it is a bad thing because it says to the other people in those private conversations "these are acceptable things to say to and about others".

    I think it's kinda like how some people would argue it's bad to say racial slurs, even in private conversations, because it can be a signal that racism itself is acceptable. It's similar with anti-queer slurs too. The mindset is that it's better to avoid using a person's body as the basis for insults.

    Like, I'm trans, and when I was still hiding that fact from others, I heard lots of slurs and hurtful things, because the other person in those private conversations thought I was "one of the guys". It'd be nice if more people who are not the object of mockery would confront it instead of going along with it.

    Anyway, I think that's what they were saying, and I hope I've made sense.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    I don't think about it as normalizing because I view these kinds of words as weapons, you don't go spraying them in public like a psycho, they need to be saved for someone especially deserving and ideally without an audience.

    It's unfortunate that the horrible people of this world are still people, and have all the same insecurities as any innocent person, but that won't stop me from using the tools at my disposal.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    I thought we were talking about their use in private conversations in which the people being mocked are not the other person in those private conversations. So you mean like, if you're alone with a person who has intentionally harmed people without concern, those are the situations in which you'd use such terms to mock the person to whom you're speaking? I can't imagine that would matter to them. Idk, am I misunderstanding you?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Bullies and their ilk have the same concerns as anyone else, even if they don't follow the social contract the same way as others. They care about their appearance, their relationships, even if it's in a warped narcissistic way they all have a place to hit below the belt. Call them fat, question their sexuality, make them feel weak or small or alone, each of these is little more than a different way of hurting another person, there is no conviction of belief in these statements.

    I'm saying the content of what is used is not my concern in these situations, only that pain is dealt in a way that has a favorable outcome. Violence with words has a place in society for all of the knowable past and foreseeable future, but in my opinion should only be used for utilitarian retribution in a way that promotes peace and harmony (such as getting that person to leave the altercation).

    Now with everyone on the internet everything is a public place, it's new to society in general and people sometimes don't realise they're being watched and listened to not just by their personal relations, but any number of strangers ready to jump in the line of fire and get their feelings hurt. With all that said I'm done with the topic, internet strangers don't get to police the morality of my private speech and if I ever say anything untoward to someone I actually know, I'll make amends to them only.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I mean, I'll conclude with "sure I get your point and I agree to a point".

    But at the same time I fully understand that I'll stick to my; I don't mind people being fat or stupid or an ass, my issue will reside in when people know they have this objectively bad thing about themselves and refuse to do anything to fix it.

    If you're overweight and just accept that you're overweight and do nothing, that's not a good thing.

    If you're overweight and are working on it, good on you partner.

    I will always judge the first group, because everyone should have the self realization to try to be a better person. I say this with full observation of the irony.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    my issue will reside in when people know they have this objectively bad thing about themselves and refuse to do anything to fix it.

    why is this an issue for you? Why do you care? Why is it an "objectively bad thing" what people do with their bodies? Would you call someone a "smoking fuck" or a "tattooed fuck" or whatever? What's it to you? Also you don't know what a fat person "working on themselves" looks like. For instance psychological trauma can cause someone to become fat and that person might be unable to get to a societally acceptable weight until that trauma is resolved. Which might be impossible due to other factors.

    There are so many facets to this that you cannot possibly know or comprehend unless you have very close fat friends or are fat yourself.

    Not to mention that your judgemental attitude makes it harder for someone to lose weight. One of the reasons fat people don't like to jog or got to a gym or really be in public at all sometimes are the judgemental looks and attitude they get even when they do what everyone expects of them: losing weight.

    Also there just are different body-types, and not just the one that everyone expects. I don't know if you have spent any time around babies but they look all completely different in terms of how fat they are and it isn't due to diet, or lack of exercise, they were literally born that way. Why should this be different for adults??

    I will always judge the first group, because everyone should have the self realization to try to be a better person.

    A thin person is not "a better person" because they're thin fuck off with that.

    Just let people be who they are and don't expect them to become acceptable to you. That's a really shitty thing to do to others.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Because I live somewhere with socialised medicine

    So yes, the smokers, the fatties, the idiots on bicycles who don't wear helmets have an impact on everyone else, because it's not an infinite pool, and so everyone who is a burden because of their behaviour has an impact on everyone else

    Tattoos don't cost the health system. Even the person climbing a tree who falls out and breaks their arm has no impact

    Fatties do. Smokers do.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Being fat does not mean being unhealthy. Plenty of people are counted as fat by societal standards but aren't unhealthy. Being fat is also not a disease. Weight can cause health issues but that doesn't mean that someones health issues are necessarily caused by their weight.

    It also is very much possible to gain weight without being able to stop it. You can't will yourself out of mental illness, as much as everybody say otherwise...

    Also even if someone just is fat and that has caused health issues why shouldn't they get healthcare?? Aren't they part of the same society that everybody is contributing to? What kind of society is it where people can be blamed for their illnesses and told that they are an undue burden?? That's sick.

    You have no clue what you're talking about and are just parroting what you got off 4chan or wherever. Sad stuff. Try thinking for yourself for a change.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (16 children)
  • [+] -8 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    No it actually isn't. Every body is valid.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (14 children)
  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    Shaming someone for how they look isn't.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    It never is, not just "for the most part"

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Never? Guy walks around in black face you don't feel you need to change shame them for their appearance? Personally sporting a Nazi tattoo you don't think an honest upright person's duty is to shame that person? That's a hell of a stance to take.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    It's pretty obvious that we are talking about "look" in the sense of someones natural body. Getting a nazi tattoo or putting on blackface is a conscious choice to be racist, being fat isn't.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

    Certainly not obvious. You said never. Also like to point out that being fat is also a choice. And much like racism and bigotry and intolerance and fascism is a choice, being fat is a symptom the choice to indulge in laziness, sloth and gluttony. Something which you should be shamed for indulging in. Now I'm not in the business of shaming people for that, although unlike you I'm perfectly happy doing it for the former cases. But it is shameful. And the person who is fat should be ashamed of themselves.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    And the person who is fat should be ashamed of themselves.

    • Publicly shaming people is more likely to elicit a defensive response rather than something which can help the person make a positive change.

    • What about people who have, through diet and exercise, lost a massive amount of weight, yet are still overweight?

    Like, do you not think they suffer enough? I have a cousin, for instance, who lost an amount of weight comparable to an entire person, and yet he is still very large. I think it's medically impossible for him to be not-fat. Yet he persists with his diet and exercise plan and is much healthier than he had been.

    I think it's unfair for people like him to be bullied for their size and weight, and it doesn't do anyone any good. It never does. By bullying people who overeat as a coping mechanism, you simply give them another stressor with which they will need to cope.

    I can understand that you believe publicly shaming large people is justified because you believe that it will prompt them to change their behaviours for the better, but I think you're misguided and that your justifications are unreasonable.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I literally said I don't believe in public shaming. I said they should be ashamed of themselves. Your cousin should be ashamed of himself to have reached that point. Proud that he's working on it, but without that shame he would never do that work. Because being fat is shameful.

    I can add being poor reading comprehension to your list of faults, including being okay with Nazi tattoos.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I literally said I don't believe in public shaming.

    Literally? No. You said you're "not in the business of shaming people for that".

    I said they should be ashamed of themselves.

    Yes, you've said that multiple times in this public thread. Am I not to take that as public shaming? You're literally telling any/all fat people who might read your comments that they should be ashamed. That is public shaming.

    Your cousin should be ashamed of himself to have reached that point.

    No. You have no knowledge or understanding of his life and are in no place to talk about him. That's really rude.

    without that shame he would never do that work

    You have no way of knowing if internal or external shame played any role in his lifestyle changes and yet assume that you know.

    Because being fat is shameful.

    I disagree. I think it's shameful to publicly shame others for things which you cannot know or understand. You assume, and you assume the worst, like many others. That, I find to be shameful.

    I can add being poor reading comprehension to your list of faults

    Rude and arrogant.

    including being okay with Nazi tattoos.

    Well that's just a blatant strawman argument, as I've not mentioned nor responded to anything about nazi tattoos.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I'm sorry I just saw who I was responding to. You're the guy on the other thread who wants people to get off the hate train for child rapists. Yeah I don't have any more to say to you. Everything makes so much fucking sense now.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago

    I'm not a guy, not defending child rapists, and it doesn't surprise me that you would stoop further into name-calling and bullying.

    Yeah I don't have any more to say to you

    Good. You have a terrible way with words and a terrible view of the world.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    "Can't, pants are full"

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    It kinda sucks where we are at a stage where all the major powers are turning fascist and authoritarian. I mean whether the Chinese literally take over or not, it just... Sucks right now.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (18 children)

    I dont remember those other guys being friends with epstein

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (16 children)

    Putin is literally like top tier sex trafficker? Lol

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    Is your source of this information the CIA or your buttcrack?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (14 children)

    Anything negative about Putin must stem from the CIA? Really? You should learn more about that guy's dealings. Not my job to educate you on some pretty easy to understand information.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    If this is so easy, you can give me 1 (one) source on this that isn't the CIA, right?

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    I ask you for a source that isnt CIA and you give MI6 as an answer. Funny and all but you failed the task

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (10 children)

    Nothing will ever be enough for you lmfao. Dude was literally Russian then defected. Even if Putin himself admitted to it on TV you'd claim it was a body double and he's innocent. What a laugh you are.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Its literally you whos denying something publicly known, admitted by the man himself

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (8 children)

    That he went to MI6 because the Russian government was targeting him? Because he had information about it's operations that he felt was not good? Who do you want him to go to, the CIA? What are you talking about?

    When Snowden came out about the NSA, he went to Russia. Not because he's suddenly a Russian agent and everything he says is a lie, but because the United States was after him and alongside Russia he would find safety from them. Flip the script, same situation. You're literally asking for the only source to be Pro-Russian which is a fuckin laugh you clown.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Haha you dont have a source that isnt the CIA & friends

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (6 children)

    I just gave you one, you tried to deny it. Doesn't make anything untrue bozo.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Its the same as asking you for a source that isnt bill clinton and you offer hillary clinton as alternative. Cant even be taken seriously

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    What a waste of the single legume you call a brain cell. This guy used to be in the Russian fold, he has insider information you do not. Don't try to pull your little silly kid bullshit. Putin is a pedophile and a human trafficker and you're trying to defend that you little creepy weirdo

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Im not trying to defend anyone. If this fact you said is so real and legit, it would be easy to find sources that are not the CIA & friends. But looks like you cant

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Im not trying to defend anyone

    You'll just consistently reject a claim about Putin and Russia that has existed for a pretty long time. From slave factories, to human trafficking, exploitation of foreigners and organ harvesting. But sure whatever live in your fake little bubble.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Now drop a big rock on the other side and launch those fuckers into space, chickity-ciao! 🚀🌞

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (26 children)

    Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime looked to the United States racial policies and legal models as inspiration, particularly in the crafting of the Nuremberg Laws. Hitler himself praised the United States in his manifesto Mein Kampf for its racist immigration and nationality policies, and Nazi lawyers explicitly referenced American race law as a precedent for their own legislation. So, yeah, historically the United States is different from what Hollywood shows (the shock, I know).

    For context:

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (24 children)

    Not to be that guy but that's literally closing in on almost 100 years ago.

    The US might still have race issues but the US is definitely the most racially conscious country you could probably live in at the same time. Most countries don't have such a variety of cultures mixed together.

    Just kind of an odd thing for you to throw out in the context of this picture. What about this post makes you think "ah yes, racism!"

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Just look at Japan. It's been 100 years since they joined the wrong side of WWII, in part for racist reasons. Today, as a culture and generally speaking, not only are they horribly racist, they don't even acknowledge it as a problem. Even among Asians, they consider themselves the most superior Asian (read: whitest) race. Look at how they treat Koreans or Chinese throughout history.

    China continues to try to purge Uyghurs. In fact, anti-indigenous racism seems to be an unfortunately global concept. Rwanda committed one of the worst genocides in history, purging a culture so similar to their own that it defies reason, and could only happen through decades of re-enforcement. A majority of European countries are so culturally isolated from each other than they barely understand what racism is.

    A country that understands where the racism exists can take the first steps to fight against it. Most countries aren't even that far.

    And yet, countries like the US and Canada are huge melting pots that understand what racism is, and has fought for centuries to push it back. Has the US solved racism? Fuck no! But, the topic is constantly in the foreground, always talked about, and one of the primary drivers of politics.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Rwanda committed one of the worst genocides in history, purging a culture so similar to their own that it defies reason, and could only happen through decades of re-enforcement

    Read: Belgians, for anyone who doesn't know. The Belgians encouraged the minority Tutsi's to believe they were god's gift to Rwanda, and the majority Hutus to believe they were peasant farmers and enforced this via identity cards stating so. Then the Belgian's relinquished control, but not before telling the Hutus to actively seek revenge to balance things. You couldn't make this up.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    the most racially conscious country

    Just like the politicians who always think about protecting the minors?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    If you think pedophilia is strictly an American thing you're fooling yourself.

    But politicians don't decide our culture. So not sure what you're on about trying to mental gymnastics into some random topic. The point still stands find another culture with more respect and understanding of each other's cultures.

    It's really easy to point out the conflicts but millions of us live everyday together completely fine falling in love with each other's food, music, religion, family.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (18 children)

    If you think the US is "racially conscious" then you've just fallen for the propaganda

    The US is incredibly racist.

    I have to travel to the US regularly.

    I'd rather not

    It's an awful place, and at its very core it's built on discrimination, exploitation, hate, theft, cruelty, genocide, bigotry and stupidity

    But, these things are are somehow celebrated when they should be a source of shame

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    Ludicrous perspective.

    I literally live here. In an area that is seeing some of the most diversity and a ton of immigrants, I work in a kitchen and have worked with people from all over the world from Thailand to Senegal, Venezuela to Iran, India to Australia.

    I've had this conversation of American and racism for literally decades in my life of working with these people both having to inform them of inappropriate actions and just general discussions. There are communities from all over the world here.

    A huge reason people think the US is racist is because they watch the media and think our constant conversation of race suggests it's a huge fucking issue. Most countries do not have the diversity our government has shown and the rise in racism in the US is because of this bullshit fear of "rEpLaCemEnt thEoRy" from the growing diversity.

    Every country has racism, most don't talk about it especially at a level where their government has constant calls to face the music about it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (13 children)

    Which city?

    I have lived in the big cities of countries that are fundamentally racist all over the world

    Of course there are major centres with great diversity, but outside of those places, 'Murica is a racist dump, and even within the more diverse and tolerant parts of that awful country, it's still racist as fuck

    I'm going to leap to the conclusion that you're white.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    the people might be racist, but there aren't that many racist laws still on the books

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    The laws don't have to be racist

    The enforcers certainly are

    Anyway, the guy I was arguing with is a dickhead, and a stupid one at that

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Why didn't you answer where you're from then?

    Because you're lying.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    You've definitely never been to this country.

    I couldn't believe what an absolute dweeb comment this was so I had to check your post history 90% is just pissing and raging about America. You better be paid to spread this divisiveness cause otherwise you're one pathetic bastard.

    And yes I am white. What country are you from?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    No the U.S. is still very much racist. Are you only thinking about like Seattle or something? And conveniently forgetting about not just the rural south, but rural north as well?? Michigan, especially the U.P., Wisconsin, and Indiana are pretty racist.

    The major cities in each state are more liberal of course, but the rural folk usually aren't. How can Wisconsin be a swing state when only like 4 counties vote Democrat lol. Yeah yeah "land doesn't vote" but that's their "territory". Your car breaks down anywhere you have to call them. If anything happens you're at their mercy.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    I giggled at how is response was denial

    The fact that I challenged his views meant that he had to create a scenario where I was lying about spending time in the US

    I have been over there six times in the last eighteen months alone. When I'm there I'm living like a local, not staying in hotels in the big cities

    This guy is white, but seems to be the type of white guy who refuses to acknowledge that he enjoys inherent privilege merely because he is a white male

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Notice this guy didn't answer where he's from?

    Because he knows his country has a way more disgusting and open problem with racism. Thinking me being white legitimizes my opinion is clear you just know American media and have never been here.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    So you're saying the rural part where the smaller populations reside is racist. While the majority of the population isn't racist?

    Yeah. That's what I'm saying too.

    I've lived on both coasts and in the south in one of the most "racist" states.

    It's bullshit. The super hick South people you're thinking of genuinely hate the KKK and white supremacists. They're defensive about what they see as their culture -- owning guns, having their stupid flag.

    The biggest racist thing in America is racial profiling which isn't a white-only thing. It's a cultural thing. And if you think other countries don't racially profile it's probably because they don't have the population diversity to do so.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    I do extended stay travel internationally for work. I am frequently in other countries and there is no shortage of their racism and discrimination.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I agree

    I've lived in several countries, and I travel a bit

    There's racism all over the world, but it's the US where it stands out in such stark contrast to the myth of the country

    The indigenous population were slaughtered, the country was stolen, it was built with slavery, and yet, there's such pride in the fairytale that it was created for people to be free, and that everyone is equal

    That stupid fucker Deft, or whatever his name is, is pissy because deep down he knows that he benefits from a system that places a white guy above others and he knows that in a truly level playing field he'd be found wanting

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Wait... What? Americans aren't aware of how the country was founded? Or slavery's part in it's past?

    Like Greeks and Italians don't deny theirs? How about Spain, France, Portugal? Mayans, Incans, Aztec? French Canadians?

    Let's talk about the Han Chinese, Taiwan. Japan and Korea...

    Man no one is sorry and they all downplay their past. Cut the shit

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