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[–] 36 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Tldr: Google gives money to Mozilla so it can be the default search engine in Firefox. Now courts want to stop this kind of deal on the grounds that it's against antitrust laws. So Mozilla now says that without this money they might die.

Unlike many people on Lemmy, I kinda like what the Mozilla foundation does, but if they let themselves become dependent on Google's money they should have seen this coming.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago*

    Yes, unfortunately it's not an easy situation. Firefox's market share isn't nearly as big as it once was. I think it's in the single digit percentage world-wide. That means it will never be big enough again, which means it is 100% reliant on Google's money. Another weirdness is that Google is supposedly only paying this money so that they can claim they aren't a monopoly because a competitor exists (but only because Google lets them live). Mozilla did see it coming, but you can't really make money appear out of thin air if your projects aren't nearly successful enough anymore. That means stopping Google's payments will not just hurt Mozilla/Firefox (to the point of destruction), but Google/Chrome as well (in comparison, it stings them a little bit). The browser situation is just bad overall.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    There seems to be no real alternative.

    Most of the suggestions are based off Chrome or Firefox. They either don’t work for some edge cases or have other glaring problems. Example:

    If you don’t support the theft of land from Palestinians and other occupied territories, then don’t use Vivaldi because Booking.com - who is dirty enough to advertise these properties - is on the default homepage and a partner of Vivaldi, breaking the BDS boycott.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    what is a better alternative? I moved from chrome to firefox, whats better?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Too fucking bad.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    These fuckers just don't know what's good for them.

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    [–] [S] 32 points 2 months ago*

    Mozilla's dependency on Google has apparently warped their activism into fighting against these antitrust lawsuits since early 2025:


    Interesting tidbit I gleaned from the Hacker News comments:

    Mozilla does sell users' data. That's how the sponsored links and stories work .

    Occasionally, sponsors may pay Mozilla to specifically boost the score of their site during frecency ranking. In these cases, the shortcut is based on your history, but shown in the sponsored section. This still happens entirely on your device; your copy of Firefox has a list of participating sites, which receive a higher score during local ranking.

    While the ranking happens on device, a smart sponsor will glean information from end users that click through because those links almost certainly track where the users come from. This is selling users' private data to advertisers.

    From here , with some minor formatting changes

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  • [–] 57 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    well let mozilla die and firefox to be taken over by a true non-profit, who only cares about making the browser better and discards all the other fucking shit shit that mozilla is trying to do

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Then Firefox has failed. What Firefox should be would always benefit from the destruction of the Corporate Web.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Badly designed antitrust measures can reduce competition. Considering the influence of lobbyists, we have to consider that the system is working as intended.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    i gave to mozilla not because of their search deal with google but because they actively sought to fight back against toxicity on the web and internet bro culture but the new ceo backtracked on that.

    go back to championing a not for profit, people first, anti toxic internet instead of relying on corporations to be your sugar daddy and you'll survive.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Ya know, even if Mozilla set up a search engine selection prompt and set up “pay for placement” model, they could still get paid. They just wouldn’t make as much $$ because the deal wouldn’t be exclusive to one provider.

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