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[–] 121 points 3 months ago (19 children)

“I don't care if you're liberal, centrist, or a nazi” — someone still using twitter in 2026

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  • [–] 41 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    Twitter approved ideologies:

    • liberal ✅
    • centrist ✅
    • nazi ✅
    • "libertarian" ✅
    • neocon ✅
    • communist ❌
    • anarchist ❌
    • leftist ❌
    • libertarian ❌
    • c*sgender ❌
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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    cussgender

    “What’s between your legs?” “None of your fucking business”

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Centrist*

    *Actually far right

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Over half of the voting populace voted for this turd. Whether they like the monicker or not, they're far right.

    If telling them they're far right just makes them cozy up harder to the people murdering minorities in the street, they were just looking for an excuse and that was just a convenience to do what they were going to do anyway.

    I see the same shit locally. People legitimately say they'll vote Republican before a DSA candidate, further proving that when you scratch a liberal/centrist, a fascist bleeds.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Good job completely ignoring how propaganda works. You will succeed in nothind, and apparently be a little bitch about it the entire time, too.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Why would I be insulted by a "centrist" defending far right voters' feelings about being accurately labeled? I don't value your opinion of me in the slightest if you aren't smart enough to see that America's center is AT BEST center-right on a good day. The republicans are a far right party, full stop. Like, there are very probably neo-nazis in the oval office and cabinet; Stephen Miller being the the most obvious aside from Herr Musk throwing the RoMaN sAlutE back on inauguration day. We have open white supremacist talking points being spouted by top republicans and the goddamned president, and they implemented immigration policies that dropped allowed immigrants from tons of countries but made sure Rhodesia South Africa got special treatment. I could go on.

    Whether or not you're smart enough to see reality and stop defending actual propaganda making you think you're not supporting a far-right ideology, everyone else can see it for what it is and will gladly call you on it. But keep getting angry and name calling on the internet, I'm sure it makes you feel good.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    The funny thing is that the extreme right would claim the exact opposite.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    They don't care because while they are different, they all eventually lead to the same outcome :3

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    I'm a critically white guy who grew up in white suburbs and remember Sesame Street teaching me as a kid to not do racism. I was entirely on board with the whole America is a plurality thing, and it took me a while to figure out that most of my society is totally not going to play along.

    In the aughts, my flatmate was Taíno/Puerto-Rican and we had a lot of conversations about systemic racism in the US. But my awareness of US racism really got going after the killing of Michael Brown in 2014 and the Ferguson unrest, during which there were independent press on the ground streaming video directly to the internet (that is, not being filtered by news agencies), and the brutal fuckery that was being pulled by the police. Also the worst trigger discipline I'd ever seen in my life.

    It turns out that police, nationwide, really hate black people. More so than other non-whites, poor people, LGBT+ and protestors. (However, I am told, they hate native Americans even worse.)

    After Ferguson, news agencies, for the first time, started tracking officer-involved homicide. See FBI was supposed to be tracking whenever a law enforcement officer (of any department) killed someone, and reporting their findings every year to BJS. It was a congressional order from the 1970s, and the Bureau just said nah. Until Ferguson in 2014, volunteer organizations watched for obituaries and news for when a police officer offed someone, those trackers didn't get them all. We still don't.

    In 2015, officer-involved violence killed about four people a day, and that's a guess. Precinct coroners routinely cover up for their brethren when a death can be interpreted as something else. The high-end estimation is about 75% of such deaths fall through the cracks, undetected and unreported.

    Of course, blacks are disproportionately represented in officer-involved slayings. Of note, Philando Castile was pulled over at least forty-nine times in the thirteen years leading up to his execution by law enforcement in 2016.

    Much of the shit ICE is doing now is not new. It's just much more visible now. But there's been precedent for a long time. Heck the DEA is essentially a paramilitary force to harass black neighborhoods.

    And that was all before Trump got elected and he collectively gave Americans permission to be openly racist again. Now it's all cranked up to eleven.

    Stephen Miller really wants to dispose of all the non-whites. That's what the ICE project really is about. (He also wants to put disabled people into institutions. That how the face-eating leopards come for my face in particular.)

    The white Christian nationalists want to strip rights away from women and make them household appliances again. They also want to chase LGBT+ and non-Christians back in the closet. They're also wary of Christians who don't agree with their version of scripture.

    Ranty Addendum: And as Corey Doctorow points out, the AI investment-buildout boom is largely fueled by a fantasy by the ownership class to just plumb get rid of workers, period, and replace us all with robots, occupation by occupation.

    Peter Thiel and company already have plans for fancy highly developed automated cities where rich people can live in (alleged) paradise. Think Opportinity from Borderlands 2 or Rapture from Bioshock. They also have apocalypse bunkers where they can hide when things go south. (Those who don't get killed off by their security contingent will instead go mad the way everyone did during the COVID-19 lockdown and sequester)

    The ultra-wealthy (the 0.01% who look down on the 0.1%) don't care where we migrate to, except they are looking to own all the land. While racism is a factor and distracts common folk from the class struggle, in the end it really is about class.

    PS: I commented in the Ask Lemmy post on YouTube creators about Ashly B who does short form videos discussing black history in America. Stories about slavery, institutional racism and hate violence can get pretty graphic.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Those who don't get killed off by their security contingent will instead go mad the way everyone did during the COVID-19 lockdown and sequester

    Implying they're not utterly deranged already...

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    They certainly are, but mental disorders IRL can compound and interact. Billionaires already have been conditioned with extreme confirmation bias, to disregard other people (especially those below their stratum) and never to relinquish wealth and power at any cost, but now they're going to be alone and isolated, and that entire system that once fed them and confirmed their self-importance will be gone.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago

    You know when it comes to racism, people say: " I don't care if they're black, white, purple or green"… Ooh hold on now: Purple or Green? You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! - Unless they're suffocating - then help'em.

    • Mitch Hedberg
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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago

    I would care if you’re purple, would be ready to do the Heimlich

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I don't care if you're white, black or blue. But if you're blue you should probably call an ambulance because that means your hypoxic.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    “You know when it comes to racism, people say: " I don't care if they're black, white, purple or green"… Ooh hold on now: Purple or Green? You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! - Unless they're suffocating - then help'em.”

    Mitch Hedberg - Just for Laughs 2002

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    [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    You know when it comes to racism, people say: "I don't care if they're black, white, purple or green"… Ooh hold on now: Purple or Green? You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! - Unless they're suffocating - then help'em.

    Mitch Hedberg

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    Alex jones every single time he talks about people even if it makes less sense to include race

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Wasn't there a U.K. anti discrimination campaign that said that but with an added "...or normal"?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    Even as a white guy, I hear it plainly.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    The other day i got one that said he didn't care if the person was polka-dotted.

    I was like Steve, I have known you since 1998. I have heard your thoughts on Mexicans. I am certain you'd have an issue with the polka-dotted if they existed.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Everybody's talkin' something very shocking
    Just to keep on blockin' what they're feelin' inside
    But listen to me brother, you just keep on walkin'
    'Cause you and me and sister ain't got nothing to hide
    Scatman, fat man, black and white and brown man
    Tell me 'bout the color of your soul
    If part of your solution isn't ending the pollution
    Then I don't wanna hear your stories told
    I wanna welcome you to Scatman's World

    I like Scatman's version

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    You don't care if I'm wearing blackface, gangrenous, or so oxygen deprived I've turned purple? You sound like an asshole.

    I'd absolutely try and get you a doctor if I saw you were green. I might try heimlick or CPR or something if you were purple. Black is okay if like most of you is black but if its paint I have questions.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (42 children)

    How would someone who actually doesn't care about race express they don't care about race?

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (23 children)

    I hate racism and I stand with people of colour

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  • [+] -10 points 3 months ago (22 children)

    Wouldn't you stand with all people and not just people of colour?

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    it's the same issue as the "black lives matter" / "all lives matter" distinction. On the surface, sure, "all lives matter" sounds more appealing because all lives do matter. But the point is that most people support white people, it's the people of colour that you need to voice your support for, because they're the ones being targeted with constant discrimination and racism.

    I think back to the post about liking pancakes not meaning hating waffles. It sounds ridiculous but it's very easy to fall into that mindset, especially in scenarios like this. "I stand with people of colour" doesn't mean "I don't stand with white people", it just means "people of colour need my support more than white people do right now".

    If that sounds weird to you still, and you'd still rather say "I support everyone" that's totally fair, but if you're going to do that you need to be aware of the cultural meaning given to those kinds of phrases beyond what the literal words mean, as the type of people who say that sort of thing are usually saying it to delegitimize messages of support for marginalized groups, and so by saying it yourself you may end up being associated with those people as well.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Black Lives Matter is a bit like Save The Whales. It should be a given that you don’t want dolphins to be killed…

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Is it not a given you don’t want the whales killed or do you have to call them out specifically?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Sadly, yes. Some whale populations were dangerously close to collapse partly/mainly (it’s debatable) due to human actions. A lot of other maritime species weren’t thriving but with whales it was dangerously different.

    For the record we did also have “dolphin friendly tuna” so perhaps my analogy needs some work…

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    We're assuming this is in the US or a western country? Racism isn't the same everywhere. For instance in Kenya Somalians are treated very poorly and there's a lot of racism towards them by Kenyan natives but both are people of colour. Similarly there's a lot of hate and resentment between Kikuyu and Luo and they will know one another easily by how they look aka their ethnicity and it's essentially racism again but both are people of colour. Similarly a Chinese person in Japan will likely face tremendous racism yet both are people of colour. Who exactly are we standing with?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yes sorry, I did assume a western context, that's my bad. I've only ever lived in Canada so I'm not too knowledgeable on progressive movements outside of the west. I would imagine though that the best course of action would be to state your alliance with those marginalized ethnicities in those cultures. For example, if you live in Kenya and want to see Somalians treated equally there then you should express your support for the Somalians, because not expressing that support will cause others to assume you hold the culturally "default" position, which in the case of widespread discrimination would likely mean they would assume you are anti-Somalian.

    Basically all I mean is that if you want to show that you don't care about race or ethnicity then show support for whatever group needs it the most in your community. By doing so you're showing that you're willing to accept those groups even though they aren't identical to you. Sure that might seem like you absolutely do care about race, since you're supporting those groups on basis of who they are, but a truly "neutral" position doesn't exist in situations like this, as choosing not to say anything at all is showing that you're okay with whatever the current dominant ideology is.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    I think I tend to take more of an interpersonal approach than a group approach towards life. Group theory is a perception of society but it isn't the only one. Generally speaking i want equitable treatment for all people regardless of the groups they happen to belong to. That's to say I'm more individual focused than group focused. Just because someone is in a group doesn't mean they specifically have faced any hardships in relationships to that group. In many and arguably in any country the determining factor is wealth and the power of one's social networks. Like an individual in Kenya can most definitely avoid any issues whatsoever with their race if they are wealthy and powerful enough. I couldn't say just because they are Somalian that they suffered the same prejudice that a poor Somalian in Kenya has. Group theory though does have a place when one is talking about statistics aka large amounts of people who share a group more so than an individual. Both perception are right and neither is wrong for the other being right.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    I didn't say I "just" stand with people of colour, did I? Now, considering how many people at worst don't consider people of colour to be people, or at best, just have a white-centric bias and don't think of people of colour very often when they hear "all people", the specific callout is very necessary. I specifically stand with people of colour, in addition to all the people who you would presumably expect Me to stand with due to being part of society.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    I mean which country are we speaking of? It doesn't make sense as a statement depending on where one is. For instance Somalians who have become refugees in Kenya are treated very poorly and there's a lot of racism and prejudice towards them by Kenyan natives. Both are people of colour so who exactly am I standing with if I were to say I stand with people of colour? If I'm in Japan and I see a Chinese man being treated poorly just for his race then who am I standing with as both sides are people of colour. It's a statement that assumes a particular dynamic and that may not be the dynamic that is in front of us.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Sure. But we're speaking English, and in all majority English countries, white is privileged.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Are you sure about that? I can tell you first hand it can be a serious detriment or even dangerous to be white in some English speaking countries.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I hear that all the time from right wing snowflakes crying about not getting preferential treatment, so pardon me if I call bullshit.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah there's that discussion as well. It's easy to get lumped into a group one doesn't self identify with or whose behaviors don't agree with if one happens to use similar verbage. I would hold reservations to see if someone is actually in a group instead of just assuming off of a single sentence, but that's just me personally.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I would hold reservations to see if someone is actually in a group instead of just assuming off of a single sentence

    You do you, but there are some sentences that tell you everything you need to know about a person. Like there are sentences that tell you that someone's judgement or opinion is flawed or non-existent, so their argument should be treated as such and discarded with minimal merit.

    Saying "it's dangerous to be in the majority ethnicity" and not giving any examples is one of those for me.

    It's easy to get lumped into a group one doesn't self identify with or whose behaviors don't agree with if one happens to use similar verbage.

    It is, and if that's something that happens frequently, you may want to consider your thoughts and actions to determine if you need to change yourself or how you self identify.

    Because frankly, how you self identify means jack shit to an outsider. All they care about are your statements and actions, and if you're getting lumped in with the wrong crowd, self reflection is necessary.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Agree to disagree then. I don't think being so reductive as to decide who someone is in their totality off of a single sentence is a generally good behavior. Then again you're free to do whatever you want and think whatever you want.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    I stand with people of colour

    Wouldn’t you stand with all people and not just people of colour?

    Naw, because if you say you stand with white people, that same person will say you are racist.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The difference is that white people practically never face difficulties that are related to the color of their skin, there would therefore not be any reason to "stand with white people" except one motivated by racism.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Just as the other guy argues, nobody said anything about only standing with white people, you can assume one stands for people of all races with the statement.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Depends entirely if you are in a country of mostly white people.

    Saying "I stand with the majority" comes off a lot like "fuck minorities". While saying you "stand with the minorities", doesn't imply the same back since the majority isn't at risk of being forgotten.

    You can say you stand with white people, if you live somewhere central Africa. Since they are not a majority there and thus could use the support. The majority don't need the support because they are the majority.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    There's an important distinction between not caring about race in the sense that you treat all people you encounter with equal consideration, and not caring about race in the sense that you disregard all racially based socio-economic concerns. A person flippantly expressing a lack of caring reeks of the latter.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    I'm speaking specifically to the former.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    You demonstrate by behaving accordingly. If you treat people equally, you shouldn't need to tell people that you do.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Yep, white people have an incentive to claim we aren't racists, our egos and social statuses generally benefit from these claims. Because of that we can't be taken at our words on the topic. Only our actions can be trusted

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    One would hope that's the case. It's not always. I wouldn't word it like the post. Typically it's more so "one people, one love" or "we are all together" or something to that affect. Particularly if one is in a sensitive circumstance and where you stand on this subject is the question at hand.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    It also says a lot when someone's goal is for people to know you treat others equally. That may make them feel that you do it more because you want the social kuddos so to speak. If the behavior is for appearance more than for equal treatment of people, that's also an ick. Just be authentically a good person and people will treat you accordingly. No good person goes around saying they're a good person.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    One would think. One must remember that racism at least on an interpersonal level isn't one direction. In group theory systemic racism is typically from the dominant group towards the non-dominant group. In interpersonal racism anyone can be racist towards anyone anytime. All it takes is making positive or negative assumptions about someone based on their race. The situations I've found myself in is where someone was assuming something about me without knowing me just based on my race.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Nothing you say will ever reassure anyone that you aren't a racist more than just not being a racist.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Of course actions speak louder than words but that is a bit outside the hypothetical given.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I won't play in a hypothetical given in bad faith when I have given the answer. You are trying to draw out an answer to the question "what words do I use to convince people I am not a racist?" And the answer is "There are none. You must behave in an unracist like manner to demonstrate that you are not racist." There are no additional details no matter how unfair you feel that may be.

    You cannot control what other people think or feel, you may only demonstrate yourself to them through actions and behaviors. Lots of people will not like you on first sight because of one preconceived notion or another. There is nothing you can do about that. You can only control yourself.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago

    Sometimes there's no time for actions as in when you're first meeting someone or even a group of people. For sure my views or mindset have been under scrutiny from the get go in my life. If you want to say my actual lived experience is an argument in bad faith you're free to but I politely disagree such circumstances are purely contrived.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    By shutting up and listening to minorities. By believing them when they share their experiences. By financially supporting efforts against racism, or attending protests. Simple "well I'm not personally racist" attitudes are worthless, because we live in a systemically racist society.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I usually say "I'm talking about a systemic issue, not you personally." Because you should care in general - we live in a racist society and can't opt out of context.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Separating the societal circumstance from the individual circumstance seems really important for this discussion but ideally the same person who is uncomfortable with systemic racism is equally uncomfortable with interpersonal racism.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    Nah. I've definitely heard it from people who don't care and people who care a lot. And also for being various types of not straight, for that matter.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Looks narrowly at this post. FINE! I will ask my dad! gets annihilated

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