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[–] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago*

    Greek culture was and still is an Eastern Mediterranean civilization that has deep roots in Anatolia and that had and still has way more in common with other Eastern Mediterranean cultures than Western European cultures. There is no hard European/Asian line, only a smooth Eurasian continuum.

    That Westerners and Hollywood try to pitch Greekness as some kind of Western outpost in the East says way more about their own Orientalism and, frankly, racism, than it does about Greek culture which, you know, just exists, regardless of what Hollywood has to say.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Today I learned that the Enigma machine was not in fact captured by Jon Bon Jovi and his all-American crew and then cracked by 100% heterosexual Benedict Cumberbatch.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    It was actually cracked by German-speaking Polish mathematicians even before the war broke out (the Enigma had been used for diplomatic communications with German embassies in the 30s). Then once they realized through intelligence gathered with their early version of the bombe that Poland was about to be invaded, they smuggled out all the gear and it eventually wound up in England.

    Turing did make significant improvements to the design though, essentially making it programmable, and he is often cited as the father of the modern computer.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    This is possibly the only thing that Troy (2004) did kind of correctly. The architecture is full of nods to Hittite and New Kingdom Egyptian culture (look at the design of the temple of Apollo!), and the costuming also points to Hittite and Assyrian designs.

    There's a ton of mystery surrounding the fall of Mycenaean civilization, but there's at least some general agreement that Troy was at least partially based on a real city (with a different name), and that they not only shared some gods/cults with Mycenae, but also might have been directly allied with Mycenaean kingdoms.

    I don't think there's any reason to believe that there was no mixing of cultures between the Anatolian sphere and the Mycenaean sphere, considering that the entire Eastern Mediterranean was known to trade heavily (ESPECIALLY the sea focused Mycenaean's).

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Can you restate the issue in a way that non-history nerds can understand?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    So... You think Hollywood produces documentaries?

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    TIL people still believe ancient Troy existed.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Nope, its not because Schliemann was a Homer otaku that his discoveries were what he said they were. Guy had a worldview and made the evidence fit it.

    There are many cities that were looted and rebuilt several times in the ancient world while having large walls.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Hisarlik

    "...Hisarlık has been largely acknowledged by scholars as the site of historical Troy [...]".

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago*

    We have texts from the period (15th to 12thc. BCE) that discuss a city that the Hittites called Wilusa (Ilios) in a region they called Taruisa (the Troad), and the beef that the Achaeans had with them about it for centuries. The city that we found shows rebuilding something that in the Greek and Roman period that they also named Ilion / Ilium. It's a well established fact that something with that name existed and that it was the object of a centuries long conflict with Greece.

    It's after the end of the Roman period, when it disappeared, that people into the medieval period started assuming it was never real. Until it was actually found. Don't be a child.

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