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[–] 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Chaps in Glasgow at 1am trying to sleep

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I've been in Ireland during this time of the year and boy you couldn't tell by the cloud cover.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Pretty sure the cloud cover is just to save processing power on the twilight rendering, much easier to just apply a static flat light source to everything

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    holy shit Dublin doesn't even have nighttime from May 15 to July 30. it's astronomical twilight all night

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Many people forget how far north Europe is because of the mild climate we have. Like countries like Ireland and Netherlands are as far north as Newfoundland. And these two countries rarely get heavy snowfall like Newfoundland. And Saint Tropez is on the same latitude as Vermont.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's pretty scary when you think about it: Europe's mild climate seems to be extremely fragile, dependent on the aligning of a few major forces.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Those few major forces are slowly weakening. We'll have Canadian winters in Europe. Which, hey, I missed snow but also the gas prices in England will have me "wake" up frozen dead one morning

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Almost as if the sun sets earlier in winter or something 🤔

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Wait until you hear about the Arctic circle...

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    tomorrow is going to be the first sunset in kiruna since may.

    here's an old photo taken sometime after midnight the 6th of june 2016:

    panorama photograph of kiruna

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    not mine, i stole it from flickr :P also i'm now not sure that it's actually midnight, because there's a photosphere of that exact place on google maps and the compass is confusing me. i think the wall is to the southwest, which would make the sun to the north-northwest but the compass shows the wall as being east-west. annoyingly the shed isn't visible on the satellite image.

    ...and now i've spent way too long looking at pictures of a place i haven't been to for almost 20 years.

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (39 children)

    Part of me wishes we didn't have timezones at all. Like normalizing the idea that some places have mornings at 22:00 and others have it at 07:00. Would definitely make my life easier not dealing with timezones anymore.

    EDIT: I want to be clear, this is me pining for a world where any date or time is aligned without the need for conversion. It's impractical, skips the caveats that timezones help fix, and it's not really how we, as humans, think of or experience time in a day. Some of y'all really jumped on this, but it's not a serious suggestion. I do really appreciate the thought experiment and interesting discussion of it though!

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Without timezones, not only would the whole world live on the same time, but also on the same date. So, the sun comes up at 22:00, and then two hours later it's the next day. So, which part of the world will volunteer to have their date change in the middle of the day? I don't think the world would ever agree on anything like that.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean, that's already kind of an issue in the sense of determining what day something happened when using a timezone.

    I think timezones help give a sense of shared "day" in the sense of when the sun is roughly meant to rise and set. I also think we're super used to them and I don't expect my opinion to change our relationship with time.

    That said, timezones are wildly inconsistent and often difficult to track. This goes doubly for places that practice daylight savings of some kind. I like the simplicity of ideas like UTC and stuff.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I'm a software engineer, and we have a product that depends a lot on recording the time that something happened. In the past, one engineer coded the on-device agent using local time, and later on, a different engineer coded the ETL server code using UTC. It's a huge headache, made even worse by the fact that the infrastructure for that server is in local time for a different time zone.

    With a more normalized UTC, I think my life would definitely be a lot easier.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    if every communication is digital, you could have every time also displayed as hours remaining, you would be able to live with day rollover not when you sleep. It's not like the current 12AM day rollover makes that much sense anyways, it is neither sunset or sunrise.

    I would love it if we de-associate time with daylight is so there's no more standard business hours, just have things open at all times and normal for people to be active at night. Every advantage of remembering timezone is easier only because we all just decided everyone should have the same schedule.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're basically advocating everyone switches to to UTC which is kind of already used when organizing online events

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    To a degree, yeah, but timezone-aware times are the overwhelming norm for most people. I've had to work through timezones a lot when planning with online friends and stuff outside of a planner or something to do the conversion for me. I'd be cool with everyone using UTC though.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I have an opposite yet equally radical proposal. Time zones are subdivided into infinitesimally small segments of longitude, effectively making them continuous. They are assigned to individual persons based in their current location on the globe and are updated regularly through geolocalization services like GPS. When you move, your time zone changes as well. Have a meeting at 10am? No, you don't. Living in UTC-8:00? It's UTC-7:58:33.0371 in your living room now. Going to work on your bike? Prepare for time travel. No GPS connection? The exhilarating sensation of timelessness.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's actually what it used to be like before time zones. Every town would have its own time. Wouldn't be much of a problem when you had to travel to the next town by foot, horse or cart.

    But I think when trains started to become more common they had to synchronise times.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Timezones are only necessary if people demand that 12:00 be noon. This doesn’t have to be. Neither does the wall-clock time have anything to do with day length. Did you even read the comment you responded to?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    You guys are coming at this from different angles and talking past each other. The 4 time zones were created by the railways to cut down on, essentially, the infinite number that existed because every town had their own sundial and time. He's looking at it going from infinite down to 4, you're looking at it going from 1 up to 4.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Either you’re illiterate or you’re a troll. Either way I’m done arguing with you.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The general suggestion is to just use UTC everywhere. Ask if you don't know what UTC is.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sundials haven't been relevant for a long time. We use network time these days, calibrated against UTC (and possibly represented as Unix time).

    Personally I'd likely think it was neat to switch to metric time (ten hours per nychthemeron), or kiloseconds (87.6 in a nychthemeron), or even swatch @beat (1000 per nychthemeron).

    Somewhat related, the English word for døgn (nychthemeron) is such a mouthful.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Listen it’s fine to be a tech bro but you need to get out more and realize that what is convenient for your Docker swarm doesn’t work when humans are involved.

    Get corporate to let you out of the engineer cave

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I'm very aware of what it means to be human, especially every time the daylight savings nonsense changes. But what the number on the alarm clock says when I get up doesn't mean jack shit as long as it's the same actual time of day.

    A sundial that has the numbers changed around is still the same sundial, and that's the point here.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Not having everyone set their clocks to show 12:00 at their local solar noon became necessary. Time zones as such weren't and aren't really necessary, except to keep alive the convention that 12:00 is noon (in the winter half of the year for the countries with daylight savings).

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This only makes sense for robots without circadian rhythm and for that we set the system time on servers to UTC and just read the timezone in your browser for display you needy meatpuppet

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Proposal: have a shorter way to write "global time" (or you could have, say, 4 quarter-global times), the same way we have C, F and K for temperature, then make that a more common way of communicating time.

    Yeah UTC kinda does that but nobody uses it like that. Shorten it to U and it's much punchier. Also abolish daylight savings, too confusing.

    If you don't wanna bias to europeans too much, use the international date line.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Right now, everyone does have their own time. In the current system, if someone in Boston, at 3pm, were to call up someone in Seattle and ask what time it is, the person in Seattle would say noon.

    OP is proposing a single time zone for the whole world. So when it's 15:00 in Boston, it's also 15:00 in Seattle and even 15:00 in Tokyo. It would make sense logically, but from a daily life perspective, it'd be pretty terrible - noon would no longer mean the sun is directly overhead, except for one small part of the world.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    It would definitely remove the concept of noon being around when the sun is at its zenith in the sky. I think we kind of have a shared idea of what a waking day is, so from that perspective this change is a terrible idea.

    I actually think it would be kinda cool in a way to have people have different relationships with what "time" or "day" it is. I'm looking at it very optimistically when I say that though.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Why would it be terrible if noon is not when the sun is directly overhead? It's not like there's some natural law telling us that it must be 12 o'clock. So what convenience does it provide?

    0 might as well be when you wake up and start your day, so you actually sleep during the end of your day, instead of a bit at the end and a bit at the start.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    you're go na spend the rest of your life in the dark because corporate is on the otherside.of the planet and 0800 is start time.

    Huh???

    Just because everyone would be using the same clock doesn't mean we'd all be awake at the same time or suddenly forget that the day is different at different places on the globe.

    Let's say there's a chain store that's normally open 8am to 8pm. That's 4 hours before noon to 8 hours after. Now in our new system the whole world uses the same clock/time. Solar noon in your area now happens at 05:00. So the store's new hours are 01:00 to 13:00. And the one on the other side of the country might be 03:00 to 15:00.

    This may make travelling a bit more complex but it would make coordination and communication across time zones in our interconnected world easier.

    I'm not saying that switching to this is a great idea, we're already used to our current system. I just think it wouldn't be as big of a deal as you think.

    This kinda already happens in China. The whole country uses one time zone, despite being as wide as 5 time zones. And it's based on Beijing wayyyy in the east. Solar noon is like 3-4pm on the western side.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm not actually advocating for this. I just hate dealing with timezones. 🤷‍♀️

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Do you mean for example planning an online meeting? That would be way easier than now, right? Now everyone's time is called differently. In the proposed system, you'd just say "let's meet at 9". Everyone would connect at what is called 9 in their part of the world - easy. It would be different parts of the day for each of them, just like it is always at such meetings.

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  • [+] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No one is saying we need to change society. We're having a fun discussion here. Calm down.

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    [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Round earth propaganda 🙄

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    But Africa is in the dark AF

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Is this gonna be on the test?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Netherlands was pretty cool in the summer. We were chilling in Amsterdam night one and realized it was 1130PM and basically dusk.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Ah yes, the 'Mericas

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Proof there is no god

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Whoa, imagine being on the line between day and night!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Proof that the earth is flat

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