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This one goes out to all the small government, privacy loving, Republicans out there, supposedly hating invasive big brother tactics and representing the values of the American heartland.

Would be much appreciated if you could have a word with your people about this.

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[–] 180 points 1 year ago (45 children)

This first thing you should do when going protesting, is to leave your phone at home.

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  • [–] 87 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And cover up your face and any visible tattoos or any other identifying features

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    Having a small faraday bag around is useful too, that's what I do.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I wouldn't trust a foil bag to do anything 100%.

    the only 100% way to not be caught is not bring it.

    it also provides an alibi. "see, my phone was here all day long."

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    I'm talking about an actual faraday bag, not a foil bag. That, combined with a powered off device keeps you fairly protected. They aren't going to get into your phone if it's powered off.

    it also provides an alibi. "see, my phone was here all day long."

    There's going to be a deviation in usage regardless, it's not providing an alibi. A gap of time when you're not using your device that you normally would be is a marker they look for. They key is keeping them locked out (again, power them off).

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I mean, a proper Faraday cage will block anything unless the US government has figured out how to break the laws of physics...

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  • [+] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Since you're posting this all over the thread, I'll also have to repeat the information that gyro/accelerometers are not capable of doing that. Small measurement errors stack up and throw it completely off.

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  • [+] -4 points 1 year ago (15 children)
  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Phones can figure out its location using gyroscopes and accelerometer

    This is plainly false.

    The error stack-up from the imprecision of a phone's MEMS sensors would make positioning basically impossible after a couple of dozen feet, let alone after hours of walking around.

    There are experimental inertial navigation systems that can do what you describe, but they use ultra sensitive magnetometers to detect tiny changes in the behavior of laser suspended ultra cold gas clouds that are only a few hundred atoms large. That is not inside your phone.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You seem to know a lot about this. I'm just generally fascinated by this method of tracking. Would the sensors ever become accurate enough in the future? Or is there a limit to their accuracy due to physics with a small sensor?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It will always be a matter of "for how long?". Location from integrated acceleration is what we call a stiff problem. Meaning that any error is compounded as you continue to integrate (slight over simplification, but good enough for the point). There will never be a sensor that has zero error, so it's just a question of how much integration you can do before the errors make the results unusable.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    I don't think their gyroscopes are good enough for that level of inertial navigation. You could just fling it around tossing it up in the air and down again, that would totally mess with its navigation.

    The far greater threat is that you just have the phone taken off you. For that reason alone you should use a burner, but I don't think you should be worried that they can track you based on gyroscope history.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Unless your device is already compromised, that information isnt being logged when the device is powered off so it's kind of moot.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    "powered off"

    Unless I'm holding the battery in one hand and the phone in the other I don't trust it being turned off either.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    The reason it being turned off matters is because LE has a significantly more difficult time extracting data from that state. And again, a proper faraday bag prevents signal leak.

    You guys are welcome to do what you want, I'm just explaining the best way to stay safe if you don't want to leave your phone at home. There are plenty of legitimate reasons someone may want one as a lifeline just in case.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    My concern would be that the police would confiscate my phone. Not that they would necessarily be anything on it, but I don't want them to have my nice expensive phone. They can have this crappy cheap one instead.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Load the foam with Iranian counter interceptor malware and infect the oppressor from inside. Give them spiked ammo.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    sounds good, where can we obtain it?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Any software defined radio that can transmit on these bands and RF amplifiers.

    The ham radio community also has all the information on how to build them out of of basic components, power RF transistors being the most expensive components, but that is still dollars not tens of dollars.

    Sometimes ready made gps jammers can be obtained off the shelf from overseas markets outside of the hegemon's reach. But active protest does require being smart about it. No point in just causing irritation with the population while leaving the enemy able to operate unencumbered. That means performing observation, OSINT, signals intelligence to understand their system and find their weaknesses.

    They will have covered most vulnerabilities from their own guerilla warfare manuals so study those and find their blind spots. Find where they have become overconfident in their hardware's ability. Where they have started taking from granted technologies that remain only reliable in peacetime.

    Use their systems against them

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Do you have a recommendation for a good cheap android phone (didn't worry, I'll run a rom) that one could get to have a "clean" phone?

    I've been thinking about getting a phone that has none of my socials on it for when I go to Canada to get vaccines

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    A pixel 6a is a good idea as the other commenter said but depending on what you're after you could get a fairly cheap second hand Samsung for about the same price.

    That has the advantage of legitimately looking like it might actually be your phone that you've had for some time. In the same manner you could also get an old iPhone. It'll have a cracked screen because every iPhone older than 6 months has a cracked screen but the whole point is to be an unattractive decoy, you want the most average boring looking phone possible so there's nothing for them to be suspicious about.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Pixel 6 is the minimum that can load up GrapheneOS. Those are like $130 on eBay.

    Pixel 8/9 does have some CPU features that help separate memory, which can be useful for keeping apps from creeping on memory they shouldn't.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    when a large, trump supporter corporation, with its main business being habit and environment tracking based personalized advertising, has so deep access to your phone as it literally builfs the operating system for it, maybe it is indeed already compromised.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    If you think you need a phone, it should be a burner.

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  • [+] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Gyro/accelerometer data isn't accurate enough to do that. Small errors in the data add up and will quickly drift away from the actual location. You can use it for video game controllers, but not tracking over large distances. Edit: there's a reason the best VR tracking often uses external methods, not controllers alone.

    But most phones have GPS and that's where the real problem is.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Gps jammers should be peaceful protest standard issue, along with stinkwater drone, foamweapons and open source open hardware anti air missiles

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Just so we're all aware, GPS jammers will invite the interest of the FCC. Now, protests aren't about being well-behaved, but just know that there's an entirely different federal agency being brought in.

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  • Well, the cops are here with helicopters, tanks and militarized surveillance, at this point inviting jurisdiction conflicts while also disrupting enemy wireless communication, that feels like a strategic improvement and imposing another dimension of complexity to failing state organs. From crashing their drones, to spoofing their chain of command to blinding and silencing their recon units, neglecting the electromagnetic spectrum is ceding battlespace to the enemy.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    That gives me a good idea. A week before the protest buy burners, use them frequently near republican supporters' house, go to a protest, use your phone all the time in the protest, dump them near the police, let them enjoy the fruits of the regime they supported.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I bring my phone. I likely won't be breaking any laws, and I can afford a lawyer. So yeah arrest me and waste the system's time. Just another data point they have to sort.

    And if it gets to the point where none of that matters we were cooked anyway

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Lawyers operate in courts. We don’t have due process anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Just go out wearing a MAGA hat. They only have small brains it'll probably confuse them.

    Like how insects are always pretending to be wasps so they don't get eaten, see it's scientific.

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  • Or even just dress how they'd expect their own to dress, don't even need a dumbass hat. I wear an old tan leather jacket and a Swedish combat cap which apparently translates to friend for them. Also applies to the anarchists though, they see my clothes as friendly.

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    sounds like a good reason to target any helicopters flying overhead with green lasers.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    And now the DEA's got a chopper in the air,

    I wake up screamin' like I'm back over there,

    I learned a thing or two from Charlie, don't you know?

    You better stay away from Copperhead Road.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Someone I know is a military pilot. The green lasers were especially rough, because the light would get spread through the entire cockpit getting split up by the windshield, and even worse when he was flying with nightvision.

    ..... do with this information what you will.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Drop it on the tail prop so they start spinning and get hella dizza and throw up.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I would be shocked if they aren't equipped with puke bags for such an event and then your plan is foiled.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Federal offense and highly illegal. They take this extremely serious. Whatever target you were before, expect and multiple time increase in tracking doing this. They will make an example of you.

    Source. Local police chases and FAA raids/reporting. Do not do this. You'd be better off finding another method.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    you know what else is illegal?

    • sending 500 Marines to quell a civil protest
    • deputizing police as ICE agents
    • yanking American citizens out of their homes because they aren't white enough
    • sending Americans to a foreign prison system without trial

    I don't give a flying fuck what they think is illegal anymore since none of them give a shit about the rule of law anymore.

    fuck em

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Well there's open source open hardware anti-air missiles.

    Also it sounds innocuous and green laser diodes cost 2$ so if everyone has them they won't be able to single out anyone.

    Also when tghe copters are down, how are they going to track you? Drones, but that's the real purpose of the laser CCDs fry much much easier than eyes.

    The surveillance state will not stop by beingpolitely ask but by being physically dismantled. The alternative is perpetual subjugation, the end of history, as far as you are concerned you become as useful and helpless as any other farm animal once this power becomes consolidated.

    Our democracy is fake because of first past the post, ranked choice is a red herring. Proportionnal representation or your children will live in work farms. Like every fight before, this is an existential crisis for your perpetual subjugation.

    They chose to make the sky a weapon, take the sky away from them.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Shouting from a helicopter "Please disperse because we'll come to your house and murder your families if you don't" sounds like an actionable threat. And helicopters are difficult to fly on a good day. Would be a shame if someone up there had an accident.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    Follow Hong Kong tactics and use umbrellas to shield from above.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    America land of the free /s

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    Then fucking come over assholes

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Can you imagine 6 dudes with AR-15s, nothing fancy, responding that that threat? One wonders what might happen.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If gta has taught me anything is that one well placed shot from a measly handgun can take down a chopper

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Even armored helicopters are very vulnerable, flying things cannot afford to be sturdy.

    Flying oppressors beware, you live on borrowed time. Tail section, fuel tank, tangling hazards (steel wire spool, fast unspooling from above)

    They made tge sky a weapon, take away the sky from everyone. Same with radios.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Talking a whole lot of shit for someone riding around in a machine that will find literally any excuse to break down. Helicopters are sketchy as fuck, and even if you manage to autorotate perfectly to try and recover from a stall, you're still liable to suffer severe or fatal injuries. It's super easy to crash due to human error or some kind of mechanical failure.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    A well kept helicopter is a reliable machine as any other, but it's true that it's probably a civil heli with extra cop stuff, ergo easy to down with some fuckery.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Even a well maintained helicopter is a safety nightmare.

    I started my career in aerospace at a company that makes helicopter engines and later I became a search and rescue mountaineer/EMT in a county with more helicopters used for SAR than anywhere else in the US. We beat it into our new members "never pass up the opportunity to turn down a helicopter ride".

    The mountain rescue association tracks member fatalities and injuries. Helicopter accidents are, by a large margin, the leading cause of line of duty death in mountain rescue, and we spend only a couple percent of our time in them.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Planes are safer. So is the ground.

    Helicopters can't control decent in failure situations. Helos are a safety hazard period. I'm with the never pass up an opportunity to decline a helo ride crew above.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I mean, you do have some control during autorotation descent, but it's at best an extremely hard landing if your pilot is really skilled. They build crumple zones into the seat mounts for them.

    It's a pretty cool technique. You adjust your rotor pitch to let you fall faster which let you put/keep angular momentum into your rotor, then at the last minute before slamming into the ground you pull hard on the collective and turn all that angular momentum in your rotor into lift to make it so that you don't slam the ground at full speed. You can manipulate the cyclic control (direction controls) during autorotation, but you're spinning the whole time, so it's very hard to guide an autorotation to a specific landing area.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're 'spinning the whole time' only if you lose the tail rotor, but in autorotation you're basically gliding, please don't mix stuff up. There are enough misconceptions about helicopters around.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Are you a helicopter pilot? I thought you rotated with power out, just not as fast as you would without the tail rotor. I could be wrong... I only worked on the engines and used them as a passenger. I've only flown sail planes...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I worked as licensed body and engine maintenance and ground crew, and gone on maintenance and transfer flights. Basically autorotation is like on planes, when engines crap out you glide and aim to do an emergency landing, since the rotor isn't a big fan, it's a rotating wing. While descending, the rotor spins and allows the gliding while slowing down the fall, like maple seeds; when near the ground the pilot can use the residual rotation energy to make a soft landing, like you said.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Indeed, one of the few mainstream machines where the smallest of human error, mechanical failure, or hell just bad unexpected weather, doesn't just bring you to a stop, but a deadly rapid unplanned disassembly. Screw that.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Checking out women sunbathing in backyards or other places.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Is it plausible this might cause the helicopter to crash somehow? I wouldn't want to risk that.

    Edit: can't believe people be downvoting this. Y'all have no idea how catastrophic a helicopter crash could be. But if you're downvoting because you think the answer is obvious and I'm stupid, I respect that.

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    LOL

    From the country meant to represent freedom. No more!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wait wdym? Not even in the 18th-19th century?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    No, even in 1776, there were contemporaries who mocked a bunch of rich slave owners talking about freedom while stealing land from native americans. American freedom had always been the freedom for the ruling class to exploit the underclass.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    correct, see for example the reactions to the US's decision to invade and seize territory from Mexico, which was largely seen as a betrayal of liberal values that the country was supposedly founded on. Don't worry, the US isn't the only country to justify their revolution with promises of liberal ideals like freedom and equality only to expose their true priorities later (namely giving local colonial elites more power than those ruling monarchs in Europe). I recommend reading the chapter on Bolivarian revolutions from the history book Born in Blood and Fire: A Concise History of Latin America for more about the disappointments and failures of liberal revolutions to live up to their promises.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What's wrong is that officers of the law are allowed to lie like that, yet still want to be respected.

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