The long-held understanding among security researchers and network defenders is that it's impossible to negotiate in good faith with an extortion racket because there's no incentive for the other side to actually walk away.

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[–] 1 point 3 months ago

Much the same with taxes, once you start it can be hard to stop.

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    [–] 72 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    If you give a mouse a cookie…

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    And that is called paying the Dane-geld;

    But we've proved it again and again,

    That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld

    You never get rid of the Dane.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think this particular behavioral disease stayed in Europe, caused Colonization->Britain->US and here we are on the brink of WW3..

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Two points:

    • Danegeld refers to paying the Vikings not to raid your lands, something that has nothing to do with Colonization
    • Groups of have been invading other groups of people's land and taking their shit long before Europe had enough technological dominance for it's nations to do it to other people outside Europe.

    Tribalism and all the shit that comes with it (including the whole "steal from and kill the other tribe for the good of your own tribe") is way older than "Europe" as a collection of nations and seems to be and inherent human trait.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, no shit. Trump has shown what happens when you bend ov-I mean, give the bully your lunch money.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    and that's why governments don't negotiate with terrorists / hostage-takers - if the attackers achieve what they want that way, you just encourage them to do it more

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    well mostly they say they don't negotiate. In reality more often than not, they actually do negotiate in the end. Then they claim it was one time exception (and then do it again next time also).

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    This is one thing Mythos Class AI is going to be good for. Don't pay the hackers. Hack the hackers. And then take their money. This is now a lawless world.

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Paying a ransom doesn’t buy trust: It buys hope from people who have already proven they’re willing to extort you! If criminals learn that victims pay, asking for a second ransom isn’t a betrayal of the deal. It’s just the next logical business decision. 🤷

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  • [–] 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    "It's not X it's Y" LLM slop BS.

    Comment history is full of similar chatgpt slop.

    Edit: go ahead and downvote me all you want but mark my words - in 1 to 3 months this account is going to switch to shilling the online marketing strategy consulting website it's already heavily advertising in its profile. The website is literally promoting marketing bots pretending to be real people to sell you stuff.

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  • [+] [S] -28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    Unlike you, I always speak openly under my own name. Unlike you, I don’t run an army of sock puppets. Unlike you, I’ve been active on the Web and Fediverse for decades. Unlike you, I’m not a block warden. Go and troll somewhere else. Bye! 👋

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    "I always speak openly under my own name"

    Has generic, anonymous username

    "I've been on the fediverse for decades"

    Account is 11 days old and the fediverse hasn't even existed for a fraction of that time.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    FWIW I had to pay the ransom once and it worked fine they gave the password over and even bargained the price down and also fucked up because crypto fees so didn’t have the ability to send the actual full amount and they were chill.

    Minus the whole being held for ransom they were probably more consumer friendly than the average large corporation.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Their income is based on trust: that their target trusts them to keep their end of the bargain when paid. Without that trust, there's no reason to pay them or engage at all other than to try to trap them.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds like the "Gawd Damn Lochness Monster!"

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    moo moo milky milky 🐄

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