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[–] 151 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Ye nah, absolutely fuck the meet industry.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    I hope when I die my corpse is cut up, fried in my own body fat, and fed to pigs.

    Fuck factory farms, things dont have to be this way. For this and many other wrongs in our world.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    We don't really have factory farms in Australia, but holy shit the consistent difference in quality between free range and regular pork MINCE from the same shop is insane

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Here is a map of factory farms in Australia: https://www.farmtransparency.org/map

    Take this with a large grain of salt, the criteria of the locations on this map is they are locations know OR SUSPECTED to be engaging in animal cruelty or exploitation. And not all of these locations are in operation currently

    But we absolutely have a ton of factory farms unfortunately, this is why it's important to shop as carefully as you're able to.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    That seems to be a map of all farms? How do you filter to factory farms

    Not even just farms, tour companies too?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It is already filtered to factory farms. Although as I said, take that website with a huge grain of salt. Their criteria for what they add is pretty loose, as you've seen.

    My point was just that we definitely have factory farms Inghams for example operates over 300 farms across Australia and New Zealand

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I disagree. They are very likely the worst of the industries in seeing here. Not even in just one way either.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    Don't give industrialized ag a pass. i get why you did, but you can get bacon without Oscar mayer.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I've had terrible experiences with vegan Bacon so far, which brand do you like?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I usually just get the store brand ones but there’s plenty of brands to try. I’m not trying to guess where you’re from to know which brands are available to you, just try them out and see which you like :)

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Caplyta is an anti-psychotic.

    Do you really want to take that from me?!?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    https://www.drugs.com/imprints.php?color=19&sort=rel&maxrows=89

    A blue and white capsule could be a lot of things, I'm not sure the original image is actually supposed to be any individual drug at all

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    It could be made vegan. As someone who has to take nonvegan medication this and all the animal testing is a real issue.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    all the animal testing is a real issue.

    Ok, straight to human testing then.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    There are also many effective alternatives to animal testing in the case of vivisection for medical and pharmaceutical purposes. This is good news, since animals have been proven time and again to be poor models for the study of human injury and disease. But if this is the case, you might ask, why are animals still used in medical and pharmaceutical research at all? One reason is momentum. The tradition of vivisection is deeply ingrained in this research such that status quo bias is a powerful factor in perpetuating it. Another reason is money. Researchers receive grant money based on the number of papers they publish in scientific literature, and it is both easier and faster to use animals as test subjects than it is to undertake human-based research. Finally, while the FDA has often failed to show that the results of animal tests can be extrapolated to humans, companies still use animals in testing in order to protect themselves in the case of a lawsuit. This means that unreliable animal tests are giving rise to unreliable medical and pharmaceutical results, which result in unreliable treatments and medications that are themselves excused by the legal system because of the unreliable animal tests underpinning them. It is altogether a vicious circle that could be eliminated with a more sensible approach to medical and pharmaceutical research that does not involve animals at all.

    https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/we-need-to-test-on-animals

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    There are also many effective alternatives to animal testing

    Such as?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    There are resources on that page. That is an area I know nothing about sadly.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Only resource i found on page that actually talk about alternative, work (dr. hadwen trust site dead, vivisectioninformation blog from 2012 and almost all linked site dead), and not video is https://aavs.org/

    Alternative such as:

    • Use part of slaughterhouse animal (shift animal burden onto flesh farm industry) (BCOP, ICE)
    • Use method that still use animal testing but less (3T3, NHK, UDP, in vitro pyrogenicity)
    • Use in vitro (lab grown) cell membrane from human cell (Corrositex, EPISKINTM, EpiDermTM) only for skin test
    • Use different animal (TER, LLNA)
    • Use bacteria (Ames)

    Original text make seem like animal test not necessary, but cited source say nothing of that. Only Ames even vegan (if you not consider bacteria animal too).

    If post thing without understand, false information spread way faster because expect poster do due diligence.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    There alternatives are still harm reduction, I agree that linkrot is a real issue and that animal testing is rather neglected by most vegans. However the fact that there are alternatives to the way we do animal testing, that quite a few are due to regulatory restrictions and not necessary in the scientific sense is not false information.

    I would also like to point out that this expectation of always having a well-studied understanding with sources at the ready seems to not be applied when carnists post stuff like "animal testing is necessary", "animal ag's impact on the climate is negligible" etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    No not false information as fake news. The word i search for was "Faktenverdrehung" in german which is not false information but something like warped information and not know good word in english. So i default to false information.

    The second: just because opposition do bad thing not ok for you to do same. Especially if most important point to science, still able to get good result, is misrepresent. Maybe you care more about ethic than science, so might nitpick about thing that i specifially care lot about.

    I not care if you understand fully what quote. But that know enough about source to jugde quality of information. And give context for that. For example that this website seem extremely focus on ethic, given only 3 source for science and a lot more for ethic. (And maybe if copy paste use > in front of text to show it quote and not own text, then i would go to website to search not ask you).

    Also if care about link rot save important resource in wayback machine.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)
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