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Russia bombards Kyiv in deadliest strike this year, killing at least 30 people (www.reuters.com)
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[–] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This was Thursday, and the article is 3 days old.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    And there's currently another combined attack going on with multiple types of missiles and drones. Literally as I'm writing this.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago*

    Yes, all part of the "40 days and 40 nights" campaign Zelenskyj announced about a week ago.
    There was much speculation about if the Flamingo missile worked and if Ukraine was even making them.
    But now they are in action. They are both being made and they work. 👍 😎

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    • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    They also destroyed a huge missile stockpile that was in the middle of the city, and which is still burning and throwing rockets around. The whole district was evacuated.

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    [+] -61 points 4 months ago* (17 children)
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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    How many people have to die before it’s ok to care about it? Is Gaza the baseline?

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  • [+] -42 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    If you want to compare the civilian deaths in Gaza’s genocide to military deaths in Ukraine’s war, you can. It’s dishonest, but you can.

    My perspective is that the Ukrainians brought this upon themselves, first by overthrowing their democracy, second by failing to abide by the Minsk agreements, and lastly by threatening Russia by attempting to join NATO and claiming that they have the right to obtain nuclear weapons.

    Each one on its own is insane, but together it’s hard to have any sympathy for Ukraine when their government has chosen to escalate at every opportunity.

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

    first by overthrowing their democracy

    They didn't. They legally removed a Russian agent that was passing a series of very antidemocratic laws.

    threatening Russia by attempting to join NATO

    Joining a defensive alliance is only a threat to an aggressor, so thanks for your admission I guess.

    and claiming that they have the right to obtain nuclear weapons.

    They wouldn't have of Russia hadn't invaded

    It's all 100% on Russia.

    But you know that already. That's the worst part. You're not misinformed, you're a liar.

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  • [+] -32 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    This is bad counter-propaganda, as you’re lying about the basic facts. Also, you totally skipped over the Minsk Agreement, which Ukraine agreed to and then refused to enforce. They had a peace agreement and then decided to ignore it and escalate. That proves they were acting in bad faith the whole time.

    Also, it was a given that Russia would invade as soon as Ukraine tried to use NATO to continue breaking the Minsk Agreement. NATO is an aggressive military alliance that has sought to encircle Russia since the USSR collapsed, and allowing a NATO country to emerge within bombing range of Moscow was a non-starter. Again, Ukraine never wanted peace. They wanted and chose escalation.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    NATO is an aggressive military alliance that has sought to encircle Russia since the USSR collapsed

    Again, only aggressive if Russia has territorial ambitions on its neighbours. Otherwise completely benign. The fact that you consider it aggressive betrays the fact that you know Russia has had territorial ambitions against its neighbours from the start. Making everything else useless verbal diarrhea.

    It also betrays your imperialist way of thinking, denying Russia's neighbours their sovereign right to join whichever military alliance they choose.

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  • [+] -15 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    First, the United States undermined Ukrainian sovereignty by sponsoring a coup. It was US imperial ambitions which turned Ukraine into a battlefield.

    Also, the United States is the head of NATO, and has said they’re open to a nuclear first strike. Of course Russia wouldn’t allow a NATO affiliated country on their border which would could make a nuclear strike so fast Russia would be unable to respond. Nuclear deterrence only works if you can mutually assure destruction and catastrophic losses on BOTH sides. If Russia can’t respond, then that’s just blackmail.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    First, the United States undermined Ukrainian sovereignty by sponsoring a coup.

    Same lie as before, there was no coup.

    Nuclear blahblah

    Look at a fucking map. Ukraine is only marginally closer to Moscow than Latvia. And by the same logic Russia should have invaded Finland before they could join NATO right next to Saint Petersburg but they didn't, because it's all complete bullshit and lies.

    Just fucking stop.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    You:

    If you want to compare the civilian deaths in Gaza’s genocide to military deaths in Ukraine’s war, you can. It’s dishonest, but you can.

    Also you:

    Only 30? Ukrainians make it sound as if they live in Gaza with how much they go on about Russian aggression.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    You're the one who brought up gaza.

    Russia invaded. Russia is welcome to fuck off whenever they're tired of throwing soldiers into the meat grinder. I have all the sympathy for the people in Ukraine who are fighting off Putin's war of aggression.

    Lastly, eat shit.

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  • [+] -25 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    “Putin’s war.”

    You’re an idiot. This is a US proxy war started by Washington and targeting Russia. Ukraine is just a vassal of empire and their fate is decided by their imperial backers.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The fact remained that Russia invaded and annexed Crimea, and now invaded east Ukraine. No matter what you believe in, the fact never change.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    That narrative is not dissimilar to trying to pinpoint the Palestinian genocide to the singular event of Oct 7.

    Ohh do you want to include the event where it all started with when the Arab nation trying to chase the jews out and prevent them to set up Israel, which lead to a war that the Arab nation regreted to this day and also the annexation of Palestine to this day? Because no i don't want to do that. I look at the current event as see who're the bastard that did the annexation as of now, to look far back mean to muddy the opinion, because history is complicated, and people who play that card is meant to complicate thing and soften the opinion against them. If NATO is the one causing this war, why did Russia not giving back Crimea after the conflict calm down? Why did they continue to invade and takeover someone else land when Ukraine haven't even yet enter the alliance? Or do you believe Russia is still the rightful owner of Ukraine due to the Soviet Onion and they're merely taking back?

    ignoring the fascist currents in the Ukrainian military and government

    What does that have to do with the invasion? Are you really believe this is a "military operation" to get rid of Nazi? This is like saying Iraq deserved to be invade because of terrorist.

    ignoring the forced subscription of their own citizens

    And what caused this? What do you have to say about Putin's conscription of his own citizen?

    Also, "our side"? That is your side, not "our side" because i don't stand with whatever government you have if you think "our side" are pro-israel. I'm not playing a game, i'm stating an opinion on who's wrong.

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