Yikes I need to get off lastpass. I'm paying for it too, since years ago they made it so you had to pay to use it on multiple devices.

I’ve been using Strongbox since 1Password switched to subscription only and it’s been good. It’s based on Keepass and supports all the normal password manager stuff (TOTP, passkeys, etc):

https://strongboxsafe.com/personal/

I use the desktop and mobile apps, and keep my vault stored in my iCloud account so everything is always synced real time without relying on a third party cloud (yes, I know I’m still relying on Apple for that).

I have used KeePassXC for years. I also use Syncthing which syncs files via my wifi for all devices, including KeePass.

It really depend on your threat model, Proton Pass is fine. Of course a self-hosted or local solution will be more privacy friendly but at the cost of being responsable for security and good backups (3,2 1 rule).

There is no black or white regarding privacy. You want to ask yourself what you want to protect from and is the investment worth being sovereign ?

There have been too many data breaches from cloud-based services to trust another one. I have a Proton account for email and online storage, but I won't use their password service because it's cloud based.

https://blog.lastpass.com/posts/notice-of-recent-security-incident

Lastpass leaked their password database in 2022, and bad actors are still using it to access peoples files, stealing passwords and hundreds of thousands of dollars in crypto.

DON'T trust anything important to cloud-based storage or services. Use Keepass. Use Syncthing if you need to keep the database on multiple devices.

(I see other comments using Dropbox. Dropbox = cloud. Don't store anything security related in the cloud.)

I know it's not your question, but have you checked out Bitwarden or the alternative Selfhosted Vaultwarden. Bitwarden supports passkeys and vault syncing, and if you are offline you can still access your vault.

https://bitwarden.com/passwordless-passkeys/

Bitwarden also released a AIO selfhosted docker image, but last I checked it's still not in "official release" status.

I use KeepassXC on my computer and Keepass2Android on my phone. Passkeys work fine and are synchronized across my Synology.

Why not Bitwarden?

you should own your data. So yes

Do both local and cloud backup using keepass or keepassxc, use dropbox or g drive, or private cloud. The .kdbx file is already encrypted when at rest.

I like KeepAss.

I like that I'm able to use keepassxc as a keyring on Linux. I like that there is a prompt on access so no rogue script can real my whole keyring.

i use keepassxc and from protonpass and its great its a lot lot more manuel work but in theory its worth it anything with a internet connection can be hacked

Syncthing is fine and secure, but be absolutely sure you set up some kind of file versioning for the shared folder. at least a trashcan versioning, if not better. protects you against accidental deletion

personally I use keepass for important things and don't sue extension or anything that would pull from it and I use bitwarden for unimportant passwords. not that bitwarden is necessarilly unsafe but im a person who ultimately thinks its best I completely control the important things.

It will always be safer to store sensitive information in a system that you control than in a system that someone else controls. KeePass is easy to setup, it's easy to use, and it provides excellent protection.

I think proton is the most blocked by governments group of services in the entire world. To have a backup in .kbdx file sounds at least like a good idea.

Any specific reason that makes Proton Pass less secure? I am curious since I am using both pass and bitwarden at the moment. bitwarden for all my logins and pass for alias + their logins.

Or use vaultwarden to have the convenience of syncing your data to a personal server or computer and have passkeys.

yes