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[–] 232 points 1 year ago (26 children)

Why is the UK such a hell hole all the sudden? I've never had such a terrible opinion of the place until now with encryption and authoritarian fuckwitism against the last bastion of real democracy on the internet.

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  • [+] 156 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When the Snowden Revelations came out, it turned out the UK did as much or maybe even more civil society surveillance as the US, and unlike the US it doesn't even have constitutional limitations on surveillance of people on their own soil (in fact the UK doesn't even have a written Constitution).

    In the US they actually walked back on some of the surveillance (because of said constitutional protections), in the UK they just passed a law that retroactively made the whole thing legal, got the editor of the newspaper who brought out the Snowden Revelations kicked, fired a bunch of D-Notices around (the UK's Press Censorship mechanism) out and nobody ever talked about it again.

    As soon as the technology was good enough for that the UK created a Digital Stasi and it's only gotten worse since.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    and unlike the US it doesn’t even have constitutional limitations on surveillance of people on their own soil

    • I'd argue the US doesn't anymore either, or if it does, it's only on paper. Shit, rights in general in the US are to the degree where they only exist on paper anymore, and I can think of some fascists that would get rid of the Constitution altogether and implement absolute, unbreakable rule if they could... Trump.......
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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    And almost all those cameras are privately owned and operated, and not integrated into any kind of centralised surveillance apparatus. More typically, they're in place to deter graffiti or to keep drunks from pissing on the walls outside pubs. Police can and do request footage when investigating crimes, but if a camera owner's retention policy means the footage has been deleted, that's the end of the discussion. And such footage is useful if some arsehole has just jammed a broken beer glass into someone else's face.

    The worse forms of authoritarian overreach are the increasingly pervasive number-plate recognition cameras that track the movements of every vehicle, and the inane attempts to regulate the internet and to ban peivate use of encryption.

    As for "quiet, polite fascism," I've lived for extended periods in the US and the UK, and so far, despite the seemingly draconian laws, I've always found there to be more personal freedom in the UK. The police don't kill people very often, people tend to ignore the laws and the government can't be bothered to enforce the most intrusive of them, and there's far less social pressure towards brainless conformity and mindless obedience than there is in the States.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    Tony Blair thought that the Labour Party would win if it were more like the US Democratic Party. That began an electorally successful period of unprincipled triangulation and petty authoritarianism. Eventually that momentum fizzled out due to the gloomy paranoid leadership of Gordon Brown, corruption of people like Peter Mandelson, and the loathsome hypocrisy of Blair's lies in support of GW Bush's second Gulf War.

    Then the Conservatives got in for 14 years and fucked everything up even worse. Now the Blairite authoritarian-centrist faction is again running Labour, and so far has shown none of the political cunning that kept Blair on top. And the media fawns over the smarmy mini-Trump Nigel Farage despite his party having no policies.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They over there looking at America being the absolute fuck up it is and are jealous.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's always been a bit like this, actually

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    sometimes the french are right. the brits are indeed cunts.

    so seriously, this i brilliantly evil. this is the way that will allow some police state level of oversight for both social media, chats, and even vpn data will be tied to your personal file. this is so dark in every possible way. any site can be labelled porn or harmful at this point. even wikipedia. how dare the young browse the open truth of the internet? and this is already the second phase, mind police.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    I don't know if it's the root reason, but one gets scoffed at harshly by the average Tom, Dick, and Harry when suggesting that a Monarchy is an archaic and, frankly, insulting form of governance in spite of protestations that the role of the sovereign is purely ceremonial.

    Simply put, they (mostly) seem to prefer political masochism, and are ruled by sadists. Sadly, in 2025, aren't we all?

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  • [+] -18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Turns out Liberals are Fascists.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Uhh no... Idiots are fascists. Some idiots may call themselves liberal but that doesn't make it so. Liberals by definition cannot be fascist. The idiots are those that let fascists parade as anything but.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    One thing is the Political self-proclaimed Liberals mainly in the Anglo-Saxon world, a very different thing is the Political Ideology of Liberalism.

    "Liberals are Fascists" definitely applies to the mainstream politicians in at least the UK, US and Canada who say they are "Liberals" and have "Liberal policies".

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