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[–] lime@feddit.nu 14 points 1 year ago (14 children) he spent all his money on fruity juice permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 year ago (13 children) Should have used more lime! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 1 year ago (12 children) hell no i wanna live fruit juice is all mostly apple anyway bonus fun fact, lime doesn't help against scurvy. the brits started cultivating limes because it's easier than lemons, but because the steam ship took over at around the same time, travel times got shorter and nobody noticed that they don't actually have the same effect. until the 1910 british antarctic expedition when people's teeth started falling out despite carrying tonnes of limes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (10 children) I need sauce for limes not preventing scurvy. I was under the impression that the Terra Nova expedition failed because they flat ran out of rations and got stuck in a storm so they couldn't resupply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 1 year ago* (9 children) oh they failed for a whole myriad of reasons, but scurvy was one of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (8 children) This blog doesn't support your claim at all. This time Scott made sure to provide his men with fresh seal meat, and scurvy was not a problem in the main camp. One of Scott's goals for the winter journey had been to determine the proper ration for sledging up on the Polar plateau, where the men would have to hike for several weeks at altitudes above 10,000 feet. After some tinkering with proportions, the men on the Winter Journey had settled on a satisfying ration, and Scott decided to adopt it unchanged for his own trip later that year: Scott's Polar ration: 450g biscuit, 340 grams pemmican, 85g sugar, 57g butter, 24g tea, 16g cocoa. This ration contains about 4500 calories (sledging requires 6500) and no vitamin C. You said they brought 'tonnes of limes' and got scurvy despite that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) in my defense it was primarily supposed to be a fun fact about limes and steam ships. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) No, I know, that's what I'm curious about, haha. I think the expedition is a red herring here. For all my searching, I can only turn up sources that say limes are less effective than lemons, and lemons are less effective than oranges, and all citrus is less effective than fresh mammal meat, particularly liver. I can find sources that say the vitamin c breaks down when heated, so the navy's switch from fresh limes to canned lime juice made things worse around the age of the steam ship. I cannot find sources that say limes don't work to prevent scurvy, and was wondering if you did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children) that's why i linked the article! the bulk of it is about limes. they did animal testing in the 1920s (before the discovery of vitamin C) and found that lime juice is about 25% as effective as lemon juice at preventing scurvy, when fresh, and its efficacy was reduced by being in contact with a) air and b) copper, which means the open-face copper tanks used to store the stuff at sea was... not well thought out. basically, as it was used by the british navy it was completely useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Right. The problem is not that they used limes, it's that they did a bunch of stuff to neuter the effectiveness of the limes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) well i mean the fact that they used limes were also part of the problem, since lemon juice could actually handle those conditions. so everything else being equal they would have seen increased rates of scurvy, but the steam age saved them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Could it handle those conditions? I was under the impression that all vitamin C degrades with exposure to heat, light, and air. I'm not seeing anything that suggests lemon juice is immune. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) as i read it it wasn't immune, it just took longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier! This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha. permalink fedilink source parent [–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago Ah yes once again as usual the British are wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 year ago (13 children) Should have used more lime! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 1 year ago (12 children) hell no i wanna live fruit juice is all mostly apple anyway bonus fun fact, lime doesn't help against scurvy. the brits started cultivating limes because it's easier than lemons, but because the steam ship took over at around the same time, travel times got shorter and nobody noticed that they don't actually have the same effect. until the 1910 british antarctic expedition when people's teeth started falling out despite carrying tonnes of limes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (10 children) I need sauce for limes not preventing scurvy. I was under the impression that the Terra Nova expedition failed because they flat ran out of rations and got stuck in a storm so they couldn't resupply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 1 year ago* (9 children) oh they failed for a whole myriad of reasons, but scurvy was one of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (8 children) This blog doesn't support your claim at all. This time Scott made sure to provide his men with fresh seal meat, and scurvy was not a problem in the main camp. One of Scott's goals for the winter journey had been to determine the proper ration for sledging up on the Polar plateau, where the men would have to hike for several weeks at altitudes above 10,000 feet. After some tinkering with proportions, the men on the Winter Journey had settled on a satisfying ration, and Scott decided to adopt it unchanged for his own trip later that year: Scott's Polar ration: 450g biscuit, 340 grams pemmican, 85g sugar, 57g butter, 24g tea, 16g cocoa. This ration contains about 4500 calories (sledging requires 6500) and no vitamin C. You said they brought 'tonnes of limes' and got scurvy despite that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) in my defense it was primarily supposed to be a fun fact about limes and steam ships. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) No, I know, that's what I'm curious about, haha. I think the expedition is a red herring here. For all my searching, I can only turn up sources that say limes are less effective than lemons, and lemons are less effective than oranges, and all citrus is less effective than fresh mammal meat, particularly liver. I can find sources that say the vitamin c breaks down when heated, so the navy's switch from fresh limes to canned lime juice made things worse around the age of the steam ship. I cannot find sources that say limes don't work to prevent scurvy, and was wondering if you did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children) that's why i linked the article! the bulk of it is about limes. they did animal testing in the 1920s (before the discovery of vitamin C) and found that lime juice is about 25% as effective as lemon juice at preventing scurvy, when fresh, and its efficacy was reduced by being in contact with a) air and b) copper, which means the open-face copper tanks used to store the stuff at sea was... not well thought out. basically, as it was used by the british navy it was completely useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Right. The problem is not that they used limes, it's that they did a bunch of stuff to neuter the effectiveness of the limes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) well i mean the fact that they used limes were also part of the problem, since lemon juice could actually handle those conditions. so everything else being equal they would have seen increased rates of scurvy, but the steam age saved them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Could it handle those conditions? I was under the impression that all vitamin C degrades with exposure to heat, light, and air. I'm not seeing anything that suggests lemon juice is immune. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) as i read it it wasn't immune, it just took longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier! This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha. permalink fedilink source parent [–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago Ah yes once again as usual the British are wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 1 year ago (12 children) hell no i wanna live fruit juice is all mostly apple anyway bonus fun fact, lime doesn't help against scurvy. the brits started cultivating limes because it's easier than lemons, but because the steam ship took over at around the same time, travel times got shorter and nobody noticed that they don't actually have the same effect. until the 1910 british antarctic expedition when people's teeth started falling out despite carrying tonnes of limes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (10 children) I need sauce for limes not preventing scurvy. I was under the impression that the Terra Nova expedition failed because they flat ran out of rations and got stuck in a storm so they couldn't resupply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 1 year ago* (9 children) oh they failed for a whole myriad of reasons, but scurvy was one of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (8 children) This blog doesn't support your claim at all. This time Scott made sure to provide his men with fresh seal meat, and scurvy was not a problem in the main camp. One of Scott's goals for the winter journey had been to determine the proper ration for sledging up on the Polar plateau, where the men would have to hike for several weeks at altitudes above 10,000 feet. After some tinkering with proportions, the men on the Winter Journey had settled on a satisfying ration, and Scott decided to adopt it unchanged for his own trip later that year: Scott's Polar ration: 450g biscuit, 340 grams pemmican, 85g sugar, 57g butter, 24g tea, 16g cocoa. This ration contains about 4500 calories (sledging requires 6500) and no vitamin C. You said they brought 'tonnes of limes' and got scurvy despite that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) in my defense it was primarily supposed to be a fun fact about limes and steam ships. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) No, I know, that's what I'm curious about, haha. I think the expedition is a red herring here. For all my searching, I can only turn up sources that say limes are less effective than lemons, and lemons are less effective than oranges, and all citrus is less effective than fresh mammal meat, particularly liver. I can find sources that say the vitamin c breaks down when heated, so the navy's switch from fresh limes to canned lime juice made things worse around the age of the steam ship. I cannot find sources that say limes don't work to prevent scurvy, and was wondering if you did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children) that's why i linked the article! the bulk of it is about limes. they did animal testing in the 1920s (before the discovery of vitamin C) and found that lime juice is about 25% as effective as lemon juice at preventing scurvy, when fresh, and its efficacy was reduced by being in contact with a) air and b) copper, which means the open-face copper tanks used to store the stuff at sea was... not well thought out. basically, as it was used by the british navy it was completely useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Right. The problem is not that they used limes, it's that they did a bunch of stuff to neuter the effectiveness of the limes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) well i mean the fact that they used limes were also part of the problem, since lemon juice could actually handle those conditions. so everything else being equal they would have seen increased rates of scurvy, but the steam age saved them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Could it handle those conditions? I was under the impression that all vitamin C degrades with exposure to heat, light, and air. I'm not seeing anything that suggests lemon juice is immune. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) as i read it it wasn't immune, it just took longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier! This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha. permalink fedilink source parent [–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago Ah yes once again as usual the British are wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (10 children) I need sauce for limes not preventing scurvy. I was under the impression that the Terra Nova expedition failed because they flat ran out of rations and got stuck in a storm so they couldn't resupply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 1 year ago* (9 children) oh they failed for a whole myriad of reasons, but scurvy was one of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (8 children) This blog doesn't support your claim at all. This time Scott made sure to provide his men with fresh seal meat, and scurvy was not a problem in the main camp. One of Scott's goals for the winter journey had been to determine the proper ration for sledging up on the Polar plateau, where the men would have to hike for several weeks at altitudes above 10,000 feet. After some tinkering with proportions, the men on the Winter Journey had settled on a satisfying ration, and Scott decided to adopt it unchanged for his own trip later that year: Scott's Polar ration: 450g biscuit, 340 grams pemmican, 85g sugar, 57g butter, 24g tea, 16g cocoa. This ration contains about 4500 calories (sledging requires 6500) and no vitamin C. You said they brought 'tonnes of limes' and got scurvy despite that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) in my defense it was primarily supposed to be a fun fact about limes and steam ships. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) No, I know, that's what I'm curious about, haha. I think the expedition is a red herring here. For all my searching, I can only turn up sources that say limes are less effective than lemons, and lemons are less effective than oranges, and all citrus is less effective than fresh mammal meat, particularly liver. I can find sources that say the vitamin c breaks down when heated, so the navy's switch from fresh limes to canned lime juice made things worse around the age of the steam ship. I cannot find sources that say limes don't work to prevent scurvy, and was wondering if you did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children) that's why i linked the article! the bulk of it is about limes. they did animal testing in the 1920s (before the discovery of vitamin C) and found that lime juice is about 25% as effective as lemon juice at preventing scurvy, when fresh, and its efficacy was reduced by being in contact with a) air and b) copper, which means the open-face copper tanks used to store the stuff at sea was... not well thought out. basically, as it was used by the british navy it was completely useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Right. The problem is not that they used limes, it's that they did a bunch of stuff to neuter the effectiveness of the limes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) well i mean the fact that they used limes were also part of the problem, since lemon juice could actually handle those conditions. so everything else being equal they would have seen increased rates of scurvy, but the steam age saved them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Could it handle those conditions? I was under the impression that all vitamin C degrades with exposure to heat, light, and air. I'm not seeing anything that suggests lemon juice is immune. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) as i read it it wasn't immune, it just took longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier! This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 1 year ago* (9 children) oh they failed for a whole myriad of reasons, but scurvy was one of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (8 children) This blog doesn't support your claim at all. This time Scott made sure to provide his men with fresh seal meat, and scurvy was not a problem in the main camp. One of Scott's goals for the winter journey had been to determine the proper ration for sledging up on the Polar plateau, where the men would have to hike for several weeks at altitudes above 10,000 feet. After some tinkering with proportions, the men on the Winter Journey had settled on a satisfying ration, and Scott decided to adopt it unchanged for his own trip later that year: Scott's Polar ration: 450g biscuit, 340 grams pemmican, 85g sugar, 57g butter, 24g tea, 16g cocoa. This ration contains about 4500 calories (sledging requires 6500) and no vitamin C. You said they brought 'tonnes of limes' and got scurvy despite that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) in my defense it was primarily supposed to be a fun fact about limes and steam ships. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) No, I know, that's what I'm curious about, haha. I think the expedition is a red herring here. For all my searching, I can only turn up sources that say limes are less effective than lemons, and lemons are less effective than oranges, and all citrus is less effective than fresh mammal meat, particularly liver. I can find sources that say the vitamin c breaks down when heated, so the navy's switch from fresh limes to canned lime juice made things worse around the age of the steam ship. I cannot find sources that say limes don't work to prevent scurvy, and was wondering if you did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children) that's why i linked the article! the bulk of it is about limes. they did animal testing in the 1920s (before the discovery of vitamin C) and found that lime juice is about 25% as effective as lemon juice at preventing scurvy, when fresh, and its efficacy was reduced by being in contact with a) air and b) copper, which means the open-face copper tanks used to store the stuff at sea was... not well thought out. basically, as it was used by the british navy it was completely useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Right. The problem is not that they used limes, it's that they did a bunch of stuff to neuter the effectiveness of the limes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) well i mean the fact that they used limes were also part of the problem, since lemon juice could actually handle those conditions. so everything else being equal they would have seen increased rates of scurvy, but the steam age saved them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Could it handle those conditions? I was under the impression that all vitamin C degrades with exposure to heat, light, and air. I'm not seeing anything that suggests lemon juice is immune. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) as i read it it wasn't immune, it just took longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier! This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (8 children) This blog doesn't support your claim at all. This time Scott made sure to provide his men with fresh seal meat, and scurvy was not a problem in the main camp. One of Scott's goals for the winter journey had been to determine the proper ration for sledging up on the Polar plateau, where the men would have to hike for several weeks at altitudes above 10,000 feet. After some tinkering with proportions, the men on the Winter Journey had settled on a satisfying ration, and Scott decided to adopt it unchanged for his own trip later that year: Scott's Polar ration: 450g biscuit, 340 grams pemmican, 85g sugar, 57g butter, 24g tea, 16g cocoa. This ration contains about 4500 calories (sledging requires 6500) and no vitamin C. You said they brought 'tonnes of limes' and got scurvy despite that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) in my defense it was primarily supposed to be a fun fact about limes and steam ships. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) No, I know, that's what I'm curious about, haha. I think the expedition is a red herring here. For all my searching, I can only turn up sources that say limes are less effective than lemons, and lemons are less effective than oranges, and all citrus is less effective than fresh mammal meat, particularly liver. I can find sources that say the vitamin c breaks down when heated, so the navy's switch from fresh limes to canned lime juice made things worse around the age of the steam ship. I cannot find sources that say limes don't work to prevent scurvy, and was wondering if you did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children) that's why i linked the article! the bulk of it is about limes. they did animal testing in the 1920s (before the discovery of vitamin C) and found that lime juice is about 25% as effective as lemon juice at preventing scurvy, when fresh, and its efficacy was reduced by being in contact with a) air and b) copper, which means the open-face copper tanks used to store the stuff at sea was... not well thought out. basically, as it was used by the british navy it was completely useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Right. The problem is not that they used limes, it's that they did a bunch of stuff to neuter the effectiveness of the limes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) well i mean the fact that they used limes were also part of the problem, since lemon juice could actually handle those conditions. so everything else being equal they would have seen increased rates of scurvy, but the steam age saved them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Could it handle those conditions? I was under the impression that all vitamin C degrades with exposure to heat, light, and air. I'm not seeing anything that suggests lemon juice is immune. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) as i read it it wasn't immune, it just took longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier! This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) in my defense it was primarily supposed to be a fun fact about limes and steam ships. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) No, I know, that's what I'm curious about, haha. I think the expedition is a red herring here. For all my searching, I can only turn up sources that say limes are less effective than lemons, and lemons are less effective than oranges, and all citrus is less effective than fresh mammal meat, particularly liver. I can find sources that say the vitamin c breaks down when heated, so the navy's switch from fresh limes to canned lime juice made things worse around the age of the steam ship. I cannot find sources that say limes don't work to prevent scurvy, and was wondering if you did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children) that's why i linked the article! the bulk of it is about limes. they did animal testing in the 1920s (before the discovery of vitamin C) and found that lime juice is about 25% as effective as lemon juice at preventing scurvy, when fresh, and its efficacy was reduced by being in contact with a) air and b) copper, which means the open-face copper tanks used to store the stuff at sea was... not well thought out. basically, as it was used by the british navy it was completely useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Right. The problem is not that they used limes, it's that they did a bunch of stuff to neuter the effectiveness of the limes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) well i mean the fact that they used limes were also part of the problem, since lemon juice could actually handle those conditions. so everything else being equal they would have seen increased rates of scurvy, but the steam age saved them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Could it handle those conditions? I was under the impression that all vitamin C degrades with exposure to heat, light, and air. I'm not seeing anything that suggests lemon juice is immune. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) as i read it it wasn't immune, it just took longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier! This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) No, I know, that's what I'm curious about, haha. I think the expedition is a red herring here. For all my searching, I can only turn up sources that say limes are less effective than lemons, and lemons are less effective than oranges, and all citrus is less effective than fresh mammal meat, particularly liver. I can find sources that say the vitamin c breaks down when heated, so the navy's switch from fresh limes to canned lime juice made things worse around the age of the steam ship. I cannot find sources that say limes don't work to prevent scurvy, and was wondering if you did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children) that's why i linked the article! the bulk of it is about limes. they did animal testing in the 1920s (before the discovery of vitamin C) and found that lime juice is about 25% as effective as lemon juice at preventing scurvy, when fresh, and its efficacy was reduced by being in contact with a) air and b) copper, which means the open-face copper tanks used to store the stuff at sea was... not well thought out. basically, as it was used by the british navy it was completely useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Right. The problem is not that they used limes, it's that they did a bunch of stuff to neuter the effectiveness of the limes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) well i mean the fact that they used limes were also part of the problem, since lemon juice could actually handle those conditions. so everything else being equal they would have seen increased rates of scurvy, but the steam age saved them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Could it handle those conditions? I was under the impression that all vitamin C degrades with exposure to heat, light, and air. I'm not seeing anything that suggests lemon juice is immune. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) as i read it it wasn't immune, it just took longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier! This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children) that's why i linked the article! the bulk of it is about limes. they did animal testing in the 1920s (before the discovery of vitamin C) and found that lime juice is about 25% as effective as lemon juice at preventing scurvy, when fresh, and its efficacy was reduced by being in contact with a) air and b) copper, which means the open-face copper tanks used to store the stuff at sea was... not well thought out. basically, as it was used by the british navy it was completely useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Right. The problem is not that they used limes, it's that they did a bunch of stuff to neuter the effectiveness of the limes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) well i mean the fact that they used limes were also part of the problem, since lemon juice could actually handle those conditions. so everything else being equal they would have seen increased rates of scurvy, but the steam age saved them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Could it handle those conditions? I was under the impression that all vitamin C degrades with exposure to heat, light, and air. I'm not seeing anything that suggests lemon juice is immune. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) as i read it it wasn't immune, it just took longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier! This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Right. The problem is not that they used limes, it's that they did a bunch of stuff to neuter the effectiveness of the limes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) well i mean the fact that they used limes were also part of the problem, since lemon juice could actually handle those conditions. so everything else being equal they would have seen increased rates of scurvy, but the steam age saved them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Could it handle those conditions? I was under the impression that all vitamin C degrades with exposure to heat, light, and air. I'm not seeing anything that suggests lemon juice is immune. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) as i read it it wasn't immune, it just took longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier! This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) well i mean the fact that they used limes were also part of the problem, since lemon juice could actually handle those conditions. so everything else being equal they would have seen increased rates of scurvy, but the steam age saved them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Could it handle those conditions? I was under the impression that all vitamin C degrades with exposure to heat, light, and air. I'm not seeing anything that suggests lemon juice is immune. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) as i read it it wasn't immune, it just took longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier! This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Could it handle those conditions? I was under the impression that all vitamin C degrades with exposure to heat, light, and air. I'm not seeing anything that suggests lemon juice is immune. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) as i read it it wasn't immune, it just took longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier! This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) as i read it it wasn't immune, it just took longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier! This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier! This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago Ah yes once again as usual the British are wrong. permalink fedilink source parent