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Ether portal (lemmy.world)
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[–] 27 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Shouldn't have been done this way. They could have migrated everyone's accounts. They did this so people would miss the emails or completely forget. So they'd have to buy it again if they came back to play it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I kinda doubt it. That is such an insignificant amount of money to Microsoft, I doubt they'd do it for that reason. It probably has something to do with conforming to regulations or something random.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What regulations say you have to basically steal someone's access to a game they paid for?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    They didn't steal anything. They gave you 3 years to upgrade for free.

    If you didn't do it in time then that is on you. They send reminders in every way they could.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    "upgrade"

    And they are taking it away. If they didn't have the EULA which I believe they had to change to make it possible (or they changed it for another reason) it would be theft.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    You know how many people change their email addresses or stop using them in a few years time?

    This is stealing, people paid for a product and it was removed from their access. I don't know how much clearer that can be.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    There are many regulations in place that have to do with privacy, terms of service etc. When you made a Mojang account you never agreed to Microsoft's terms of service. And I wouldn't be surprised if there were other issues as well related to just merging accounts from different companies, it's not that simple.

    If I remember correctly I think Luke and Linus (from LTT) talked about how they had a lot of issues with migrating forum subscribers to Floatplane and how it wasn't really possible to do it without direct user consent or something. I don't really remember the details, it was many years ago.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (10 children)

    Really? The total time period for migrating the account was something like 3 years, they sent emails reminding you about it, and mentioned it in the launcher. I don't know what else they could have been expected to do?

    They couldn't just "migrate everyone's accounts" because there's no obvious way to do that. Simple example: Let's say you bought Minecraft for yourself and your two kids so you could play together. These were little kids, and Mojang accounts aren't uniquely tied to an email address so they all have the same email address. MS accounts use email address as username. Without asking the user, which of the three accounts gets tied to that email address, and what happens to the other two? What about cases where the Mojang account is for an email address that doesn't have a Microsoft account? What if it already does, but the email address on the Mojang account is an older email they no longer use or even have access to and just never bothered to update because the email on your Mojang account was only really relevant to recover your password? Etc, etc, etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I think forcing people to have a Microsoft account is the underlying issue there. I see no reason why they couldn't have allowed users to have an ms account and then just have the Minecraft account be a link to either a ms account or a standard mojang account.

    I think they just wanted more personal data and ms accounts to gloat about to shareholders.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    As soon as MS bought it, I think everyone could see it moving to an MS account as an obvious next step. MS had been building themselves up as a gaming brand for years and running two separate authentication services is going to seem like an unnecessary cost to their bean counters.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wouldn't that still be one auth service that looks at one of two db tables though?

    I didn't really see it coming because I didn't even realize there were Microsoft accounts until shortly before the migration. When I was then forced to migrate I found out that I apparently alrealready had a Microsoft account that I luckily had the password written down for, all in all a horrible experience in my opinion.

    Also the fact that you need to mod the game to avoid telemetry nowadays is just sad.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I didn’t really see it coming because I didn’t even realize there were Microsoft accounts until shortly before the migration.

    Really? MS had consolidated their online services into one login/authentication system years beforehand. Hotmail, Outlook,com, XBOX Live, etc all use the same accounts. It's why I expected they would do that, they'd done it with everything else they owned.

    You have to mod everything to avoid telemetry nowadays. I'd be surprised if my dishwasher wasn't quietly sending data to Samsung at this point.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I never had accounts for any of those.

    Also not many but some few games have opt in telemetry. Now that I think about it I'm unsure how many games that I play have telemetry but they mostly are offline games (like Minecraft can be) which shouldn't have telemetry. I should really check some of them.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What? No it's not hard to do, all they had to do was port the info into a DB and sit on it...they could have used the same DB that they use for the accounts now. Then the second someone returns it kicks off the same process that happened when this whole migration thing began long time ago. I've handled plenty of account migrations throughout my time and they're not rocket science.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I’ve handled plenty of account migrations throughout my time and they’re not rocket science.

    ...and all those account migration systems are kept running in perpetuity just in case someone with an account last used in June 2009 happens to try logging in sometime in 2030? That feels like a lot of legacy systems to maintain for very little benefit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You move the account...and reset the password. People want access they go through proving they have access to the email. You all are acting like it's hard to move info from one DB to another.

    They did it for greed, stop defending M$

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    That is not how databases work.

    It would cause all kinds of issues. And then they would get tons of criticism by people like you that it doesn't work perfectly.

    Windows has enough backwards compatibility they have to work around. Lets not add games to it as well.

    No, 3 years of free upgrades is more than enough.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Lol that's exactly how DBs work. The hell do you think they keep account info? On randys note pad?

    People paid for the game. Period. This is like someone buying a physical copy and because they didn't go and get the new copy the old one stops working.

    Some simps for Microsoft here apparently.

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