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What's up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately? (toast.ooo)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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[–] -5 points 1 year ago (15 children)

And the situation with the uigurs?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    China's claim is that anything that is being done is being done to combat islamic fundamentalist groups/extremists. This seems to be backed up by international support from Muslim countries.

    Genocide claims were always unfounded. However, no matter how nice the guided tours of reeducation facilities look, they are still in effect prisons, and we of course don't know about the things that we aren't being shown.

    If your position on the topic is anything more than "They may or may not be treated that good", you have information that nobody else has.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    There are prisons, of course. Every country has them. And some terrorists did get prosecuted and imprisoned. They weren’t hypothetical terrorists. Locals were getting stabbed, shot, run over, and bombed by them. So of course any non-radicalized Uyghur—which were the vast majority—wanted the terrorism to stop as much as anyone else, just as there were scarcely any US Muslims cheering as the Twin Towers fell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China#Chronology_of_major_events

    But the job training facilities weren’t/aren’t prisons. Those who didn’t live near the schools traveled in for the week, received room & board, and went back home on weekends.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I appreciate your correction Davel. I've seen some of your posts/comments in the past and they have always been informative on this topic.

    I understand western notions of prisons paint ugly pictures of grey walls and metal bars so if they are given that much autonomy during the process, maybe that term was misleading and I apologize.

    I do take issue with the hypothetical terrorist rebuttal though, because the same thing can be applied to the US policies. Yes, we did have terrorist attacks done against us. That doesn't mean that every person we locked up as a terrorist was one.

    You might have the trust that China is telling the truth and isn't doing something similar, that's a valid enough position to have. Im still not personally convinced.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yes, we did have terrorist attacks done against us. That doesn’t mean that every person we locked up as a terrorist was one.

    I’m sure some mistakes were made because no system will ever be perfect, but socialist states are fundamentally different from a capitalist, imperialist, globally hegemonic state. Without evidence, there’s no reason to assume that China’s handling of it was analogous to ours.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have disagreements that China is currently socialist, but that is outside the scope of the original discussion.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    What about it? Say what you mean.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The genocide of them that ML refuses to acknowledge.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Alright, I expect some evidence of that claim. Please no CIA sources, I'd like to save us some time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    "please give me evidence" "only sources I like". I'm not wasting my time sourcing things that you will deny.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    You can’t bring us evidence because there isn’t any.

    The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.

    The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.

    Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
    https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330

    #HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.

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