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[–] 59 points 1 year ago (65 children)

Ah, yes, Russia and China are indeed bastions of anti-capitalism.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (28 children)

    Something nice

    It’s just state capitalism.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (25 children)

    So what are they actually working toward?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hmm, in what way its socialism when they claim the whole of South China Sea, have border dispute left and right, and aggressively expand their market in an anti-competitive way? Call me sheltered libs or libtard or whatever, I certainly cannot see it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Like, how? Everyone is saying they're working to be socialist economy but no one know how, yet you're so sure of it. Is there a secret sauce that only you people know, that no one else know? Because despite you trying to sell them as "good guy working for greater good", all we're seeing is a country aggressively expanding their domain, via both economy, territory, and military, and the consequences is we fucking suffer from it. If the plan is dominate the world and forcing the world to shift their economy model, then yes we're seeing the same picture.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You actually believe that yourself?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ah yes, socialism. Just right around the corner from all this state capitalism and totalitarianism. Any day now.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You keep popping up. I feel like maybe it would do you good to grab a book and educate yourself on these topics before jumping in. And while you’re at it read about the”good” guys spreading all that freedom.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    The communist party works towards socialism? What happened there?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    No, but I am surprised that a communist party with a communist ideology has socialism as its goal instead of communism. Aren't you?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    Communism is a form of socialism. There’s plenty of information out there free of charge. It wouldn’t hurt to educate yourself before holding strong opinions on a topic.

    Edit: Communism is the end game for socialism, much like fascism is end game for liberalism.

    It’s the next stage. The big feature: classless, money-less society.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Fascism is the endgame for liberalism? lmao what? How?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This guy is an ignorant perfectionist, and he's not convincing by quoting a bunch of random political theorists. Every single nation in the world has engaged in some level of imperialism, whether it's using slave labour (which he uses as an argument) or a history of colonisation. Need I remind you that most products are made out of what's essentially slave labour, which comes from China

    Just because a nation's history is that of a coloniser doesn't make it impossible to be a Western democracy. His argument falls apart when you look at the current parliament, which is the most diverse in the United Kingdom's history -- Only in Western Democracies can you have this level of diversity and equality.

    Despite the above, he also calls Western nations white supremacist states. This guy's a nutter. Liberalism isn't right-wing.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    something nice

    For everyone, right?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    They’ve stated the goal is by 2049.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    Hilarious. When do you expect that goalpost will move?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    What’s funny? They’re making incredible progress, and have an extremely high approval rating. Liberals seem to be in the dark on what’s going on beyond their borders.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    What is this incredible progress? What is it measured in and why has it taken 75 years to not even be done? Glad to hear the CCP has extremely high approval rating. How are the political competitions rating in contrast and which non-state controlled institute made the polls?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    You sure have a funny way of having a discussion. Rude right wingers.

    Their economy is stable and growing rapidly. The citizens are enjoying modern conveniences, ie retirements, medical services, job security, the best public transportation in the world, etc. The grid is rapidly going renewable. Legislation is maturing to protect citizens. Growth across the board. The government asks for input from the people and they listen.

    Your lack of knowledge isn’t an excuse for being a dick.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    They've caused the extinction of several species. They directly contribute a huge amount of carbon and ozone degrading gases and increasingly do so every year. Their cities are flooding massively due to climate change.

    Medical services aren't a modern convenience, especially not in China which has had available healthcare there for thousands of years. Neither is the idea of retirement as the Chinese people take care of their elders.

    The Chinese government does not ask for input. The government is highly fascist and everything you say is very controlled. Try being gay in China. Try expressing political ideas against the current government. Remember the COVID whistleblowers in China? Remember Tibet?

    There is NO safe sky daddy otherworldly government coming to save you or protect you or anyone. These wealthy people are in it for themselves and they are lying. Xi Jing Ping doesn't give a FUCK about you, China, his people, or socialism - he cares about power and having money. The global people are different than the leaders - THEY care about each other, their future as a collective, that things are just or fair. They are not their leaders.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    Which part am I wrong about exactly?

    Yes, the same can be said of any nondemocratic government, which is most world governments including the US. The US is not democratic and has not ever been. They lie that they are for the same reason Russia and China lie that they are fair and democratic - to gaslight their people into complacency.

    The global people are different than the leaders - THEY care about each other, their future as a collective, that things are just or fair. They are not their leaders.

    Most people are great. Most governments are not.

    What book exactly should I read?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    That book actually refutes your claims re: China. As in the author disagrees with your sentiments.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    So you haven't even read your own source? He is explicitly critical of China and state capitalism and authoritarianism in general.

    So I ask again - which book exactly should I read?

    And btw, I don't only get my info from "main stream media," such a weird narrative you've concocted which also does not refute anything I've said or answered any questions asked.

    You're a fascist and fascist sympathizer who supports slavery and war.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I am not a liberal, that is yet another narrative you've made up in your head.

    You used that book as a source to defend modern China and your position on it. You also barely have given any coherent points. Misunderstanding (as if) is on you and your failures.

    I've read Das Kapital.

    You made an argument and tried to support it with something directly contradicting you - you're the jackass here, lol.

    You fully support China's slavery and anti-free speech and anti-democracy as I mentioned in a previous comment re: Taiwan, Hong Kong, Uyghers, Tibet. Go read it again.

    Declared war is different than warfare which can be physical but also economical, cultural, etc.

    You've been tricked by yet another "benevolent leader" rhetoric. It's all just stories. When we look at what China is actually doing, it's the same as all the other countries without direct democracy - fascist control and slavery. No matter what their stupid lies say. And you support that and are apparently fully fine with their slavery and fascism. So yeah that makes you a fascist.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You're certainly not a leftist.

    What is China "actually doing?" You haven't backed up anything that you've said. I'm ready for the wall of western media making shit up to support the ruling classes narrative.

    I threw a book at you to bring you up to speed on communism, stating quite literally that it was a good start. You searched for China and stated the whole book refuted my argument. Lazy.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    And how do you determine that?

    You don't know what China has done to Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, the South China Sea, the Uyghers, North Korea, their citizens in the US via Chinese secret police, citizens in Africa....? Go look it up. Slavery is well established there.

    I don't support the ruling class, I've told you that, but you certainly support China's ruling class.

    You linked the book to BARELY defend your point about China, which isn't communist anyway by your own admission- https://lemmy.world/post/34398235/18798455

    Here's the comment chain ^ I specified China isn't this utopia you claim, and then you cited that book.

    So no, it wasn't to mansplain a topic I am already aware of. It was to defend your love of fascists and slavers.

    You already lost anyway by refusing to argue in good faith before. You posted 1 source that disagrees with you. How pathetic. If you want real debate, then go back to my original post to you and argue it in good faith. Until then, you lost.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lost? What did you win? You want some kind of liberal participation medal?

    I’m well aware of your claims that you so happily deep throated from western media. It’s all garbage. You’re supporting the ruling class by relaying their stories. Just like the good right winger you are.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Damn, 100 years of unfulfilled promises. Do you think the communist party could have stayed in charge if China was a democracy?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Oh please.

    Let me rephrase it for you: if China was a well functioning, pluralistic democracy with free contestation, right to opinion, assembly and everything else that makes a democracy a democracy, do you think the communist party could have sat for a 100 years with unfulfilled promises without the Chinese deciding someone else should have a go?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    lmao they are definittely having problems, it just not regularly represented in the news, because they suppress it. thier population issues, the evergrande,,,etc.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Something nice? Does Taiwan and Hong Kong feel that way? The Uyghers? How about the nations who rely on the South China Sea?

    How about we the people of the world say no to slavery, no to genocide, and no to war, no matter what country tries to justify and use it? Stop being tricked into harming yourself

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You’re a propaganda machine. Look at you go.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I accept your loss due to an inability to form a good faith argument.

    Ps, there is no anarchist propaganda machine. Lol. Lmfao.

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