ctrl_alt_esc comments on What's up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately?

[+] ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml -12 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Oh so you're valuing the lives of the Uyghurs and other minorities in concentration camps. You're really valuing the millions of Russian soldiers that die fighting a war of aggression. You value so highly all the innocent people in Gulags which are basically concentration camps too. I see now how highly you value those people, my bad.

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Oh so you’re valuing the lives of the Uyghurs and other minorities in concentration camps.

In over a decade of genocide accusations against China, The West hasn’t been able to produce a single example of even one Uyghur being killed, even though Xinjiang is perfectly accessible and anyone can go there to find perfectly normal cities. Even Wikipedia had to rename it’s “Uyghur Genocide” page because they couldn’t actually find enough evidence.

Meanwhile, Gaza is a closed off death camp where journalists are being shot on sight, with the full support of both the institutions and individuals who are making the Uyghur genocide accusations in the first place. None the less, we see daily videos of mass death, with even western estimates for total dead in the hundreds of thousands after less than two years.

You don’t care about Muslim lives, they are not human to you, you only care about them as a cudgel against the West’s enemies. This is made undeniably clear by the fact that you try to claim China killing zero Muslims is comparable to the West exterminating an entire nation.

You’re really valuing the millions of Russian soldiers that die fighting a war of aggression.

Millions? You're just pulling make believe numbers out of your ass now, unlike the actually confirmed millions killed in Western Wars of aggression. And it's because non-western lives aren't actually real to you; thousands, millions, tens of millions, whatever - it's all just fictional to you, like the size of armies in fantasy books.

You value so highly all the innocent people in Gulags

What the fuck are you talking about? Please tell me you're not trying to have a take on this while being so monumentally ignorant of even the most basic facts of the matter.

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[+] ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml -12 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The West hasn’t been able to produce a single example of even one Uyghur being killed

What's happening to them is worse than getting killed.

even though Xinjiang is perfectly accessible and anyone can go there to find perfectly normal cities

Ok, you're completely delusional, should have figured from the start. Please watch some footage of journalists that actually went there.

All your blathering about Palestine is nice whataboutism, but nothing more. I'm strongly opposed to the Israeli government as well, not that it matters in this discussion. It's possible to have a more nuanced view than "east good, west bad" even though that might be too difficult for you to comprehend.

Millions?

Millions is probably incorrect indeed, the estimate is over 1 million. What does it matter though? The one who doesn't seem to care about their lives (apart from Putin, obviously) is you, because every single one is one too many.

What the fuck are you talking about? Please tell me you're not trying to have a take on this while being so monumentally ignorant of even the most basic facts of the matter.

I'm talking about innocent people being held in Gulags and in many cases dying there. Reading comprehension is difficult for you it seems. I'm curious though, do you think Gulags are not real or that only guilty people are sent there? Even if they were guilty, do you think a civilised nation should have concentration camps?

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[+] Diva@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

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[+] ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml -7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't even know who you're talking about. There is footage of many journalists that went there and filmed with hidden cameras, also Chinese speaking ones.

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

I don’t even know who you’re talking about.

Lol, of course you don't even know where the claims you believe about China even come from

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

What’s happening to them is worse than getting killed.

What a vile little worm you are. And of course, because you don't actually consider them human, you don't care if they actually agree with this; you're not actually going to try present the argument that the Uyghurs themselves would, if you went to Xinjiang and asked them, would prefer to be in Gaza. You're just going to make the declaration for them, because you need to to excuse the holocaust going on in Gaza.

Ok, you’re completely delusional, should have figured from the start. Please watch some footage of journalists that actually went there.

Please, present this footage that shows that the people of Xinjiang are worse off than the people in Gaza..

All your blathering about Palestine is nice whataboutism, but nothing more.

You can't actually defend the idea that the West's crimes aren't as bad as China, so you're just going to declare that it's "not allowed" to even mention the West's crimes. Even you realise your position is untenable if people actually bring up counter points, so you're going to pretend that some how it's "cheating" for them to do so.

I’m strongly opposed to the Israeli government as well, not that it matters in this discussion.

Of course it fucking matters. What the fuck are you on about?

It’s possible to have a more nuanced view than “east good, west bad” even though that might be too difficult for you to comprehend.

You're just assuming that, because you are only capable of seeing it in terms of Good Guys and Bad Guys, then I must be too, just in the other direction. This is a lazy strawman doesn't actually follow from anything that was said.

Millions is probably incorrect indeed

Not incorrect: a lie that you told.

the estimate is over 1 million.

"The estimate"? From who?

What does it matter though?

Yeah, what does it matter? It's not like theyre real humans with lives or anything. because non-western lives aren’t actually real to you; thousands, millions, tens of millions, whatever - it’s all just fictional to you, like the size of armies in fantasy books.

The one who doesn’t seem to care about their live is you, because every single one is one too many.

Tell me again how every Muslim in Xinjiang would be better off dead, how the genocide in Gaza is just prattle and whataboutism, and how numbers of dead don't matter. Funny how "every single one is to many" doesn't apply to the West, they can kill by the million and you'll forgive them.

I’m talking about innocent people being held in Gulags and in many cases dying there. Reading comprehension is difficult for you it seems. I’m curious though, do you think Gulags are not real or that only guilty people are sent there? Even if they were guilty, do you think a civilised nation should have concentration camps?

Oh my God.... Please tell me this is a bit.

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[+] ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml -7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

you don’t actually consider them human

nice projection

you’re not actually going to try present the argument that the Uyghurs themselves would, if you went to Xinjiang and asked them, would prefer to be in Gaza

What? Please try to write properly, your sentences are barely decipherable. No one has said anything about Xinjiang concentration camps being better or worse than Gaza.

Please, present this footage that shows that the people of Xinjiang are worse off than the people in Gaza…

Again, no one has claimed that. What are you talking about?

You’re just assuming that, because you are only capable of seeing it in terms of Good Guys and Bad Guys, then I must be too, just in the other direction

I'm not assuming anything, I based this on what you said. Whereas I have clearly expressed a more nuanced view, thus you're, again, not making any sense.

how every Muslim in Xinjiang would be better off dead

I did not say that, although I know for a fact that some of the kidnapped and incarcerated people that are not allowed to see their family and to speak their language would rather be dead.

how the genocide in Gaza is just prattle and whataboutism

I never said that, do you know what whataboutism is?

numbers of dead don’t matter

They matter to me, but clearly not to you.

Funny how “every single one is to many” doesn’t apply to the West, they can kill by the million and you’ll forgive them.

Honestly, this is the last time I reply to you if you keep making shit up. Every single person killed is one too many, it does not matter who does the killing. Is that clear enough for you?

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

nice projection

"That's projection!" Isn't actually some universal rebuttal you can just throw at everything. I gave a very specific explanation of why I said you don't consider them human.

What? Please try to write properly, your sentences are barely decipherable.

It's a perfectly legible sentence, please don't pretend to be illiterate to avoid having to acknowledge rebuttals. Particularly if you're going to immediately acknowledge that you did actually know what I said

No one has said anything about Xinjiang concentration camps being better or worse than Gaza.

Well now you're resorting to straight up lying about demonstrated facts.

Again, no one has claimed that. What are you talking about?

Well now you're resorting to straight up lying about demonstrated facts.

I based this on what you said

What, specifically, did I say that you are basing it off?

Whereas I have clearly expressed a more nuanced view

Well now you're resorting to straight up lying about demonstrated facts.

thus you’re, again, not making any sense.

Yet you were still able to articulate a reply.

I did not say that

Well now you're resorting to straight up lying about demonstrated facts.

although I know for a fact that some of the kidnapped and incarcerated people that are not allowed to see their family and to speak their language would rather be dead.

A fact? You know that for a fact? How exactly do you know that for a fact? Sounds like you just lying again, like you lied about the "over a million" number (and then quickly went quiet when asked to present your source)