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[–] 19 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Time to download new Plasma bugs! I just hope it will decrease crashing frequency to once per week with Wayland backend, with Bookworm it was once per day, which is not fun if you need to keep several windows open.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm on Fedora with Plasma & Wayland, everything just works... Honestly not sure if Fedora is doing something special or all this talk of Plasma being crashy is overblown.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Plasma has a cycle of releasing a bunch of new features and changes, and then squashing bugs every week when they discover them.

    Debian is on a 2+ year release schedule, and the packages are frozen long before the release. So plasma might be either working fine, or be broken for 2+ years.

    Fedora is semi-stable because it's on a 4 month schedule, and AFAIK they don't rush upgrading to new major plasma versions, so plasma works a lot better.

    Generally from my experience, plasma works best on rolling distros, while it's crap on stable ones. Stable DEs like xfce are incomparably better suited to stable distros.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I haven't had plasma crash on debian, fedora, or opensuse using wayland on three completely different, albeit older setups. It was completely unusable briefly on opensuse with an Nvidia card, but zero crashes that I can recall.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Using Plasma Wayland on Debian sounds like you're deliberately setting yourself up for a lot of pain.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    My work laptop has Kubuntu LTS, which is on Plasma 5.27 with X11, whereas I get to use the latest Plasma with Wayland on my personal laptop. Granted, I don't do much gaming or such, but I definitely run into fewer bugs with the latter...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Hopefully when plasma crashes the clients don't, so that's something at least

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nope, plasma-session crash means all your windows are goooone.

    If it's only plasma-desktop or kwin crash, you can generally restart it from a terminal, and you need one terminal window open at all times to do that, since you won't be able to launch a new window with no desktop, or you try to launch it from the text console, which works badly because it won't see your plasma-session environment.

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  • I had 0 crashes with plasma 5.27 on debian 12 and I used it for 1.5 years, I have been using unstable for 6 months with plasma and only 3 crashes of which plasma mamaged to recover gracefully on all of them, I genuinely dont know how people get Plasma to crash so much more often than I, and I have only used the wayland session

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I've been on Debian Kde with X11 for this very reason, well, this and the lack of wacom support. But I heard upstream in Kde land, things are a lot better now, so I'm happy to try again. If not, well... see ya in 2 years or so.

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