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[–] 12 points 1 year ago (15 children)

How so? If you train your biceps you won't get stronger feet?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    You both are correct, depending on the context. The first user's point is correct when it comes to losing weight. You can't just lose belly fat by doing a bunch of situps.

    Funny enough, you actually can target losing belly fat to a degree with diet. Both alcohol and fructose are broken down via the Krebs cycle, and the fat that is the output is deposited in between (and inside of) the organs in your gut. Cutting out alcohol, fructose, and sucrose (which is glucose + fructose) will stop adding fat there. In addition, ketosis tends to cause visceral fat to be broken down for energy more than subcutaneous fat, so that can be used to target visceral fat.

    Also, getting rid of visceral fat is a very good idea. Subcutaneous fat doesn't have much of a negative effect on health unless there is a lot of it, while visceral fat can lead to organ problems like fatty liver disease.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Ah yeah that explains it, thanks! And also IMO completely correct. And I didn't know about keto burning belly fat better (alcohol belly is a well known result though).

    And double yeah, you don't want fat lining your internal organs, that's a major health hazard.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    And I didn't know about keto burning belly fat better

    FWIW, it's most prominent on fat that's already specifically in the liver, since the liver is the organ that converts fats into ketones. And it's specifically visceral fat. Subcutaneous fat on the belly should be burned at the same rate as subcutaneous fat located anywhere else

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    So me stopping drinking and going keto-ish diet is a double bonus?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Kinda. Not drinking stops the problem from getting worse, keto will help fix it.

    Also, you would need to do full keto to get the bonus. Otherwise you won't be going into ketosis. Only having a low-carb diet wouldn't be significantly different from basic calorie restriction.

    Also, you still need to exercise and restrict calories to lose weight on keto. For weight loss, it mainly makes the process easier; if you eat more than you burn you still won't lose weight. I like it, it's a useful tool, but it's not magic.

    Some extra bits of advice in case you try keto:

    • Take elecrolyte supplements, especially magnesium to avoid the "keto-flu". There aren't many people who can get away with not taking any
    • You'll likely lose 10-12lb in the first week or two. That's mainly water weight that you'll gain back after going off the diet. The typical sustained weight loss is 2lb per week.
    • Eat a balanced diet of real food. As in, eat a mix of unprocessed meat and vegetables. Don't just eat nonstop jerky and "keto certified" cookies and ice cream. Make your own food from scratch as much as you realistically can.
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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    you still need to exercise and restrict calories to lose weight on keto. For weight loss, it mainly makes the process easier; if you eat more than you burn you still won’t lose weight. I like it, it’s a useful tool, but it’s not magic.

    I don't think this is a good way to do keto. After the initial onboarding, hunger and satisfaction signals will work properly and people wont overeat.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    1: While the signals will correct for most people, I'm personally not willing to claim it's guaranteed

    2: There's no harm in measuring caloric intake and burn even if the signals correct

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    1: While the signals will correct for most people, I’m personally not willing to claim it’s guaranteed

    Fair!

    2: There’s no harm in measuring caloric intake and burn even if the signals correct

    At least with the people i've helped do keto, I find doing a initial over feeding of whole keto food is very beneficial in fighting the initial cravings and adaptation phase.

    No harm in measuring, but doing a caloric deficit is a complication

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    At least with the people i've helped do keto, I find doing a initial over feeding of whole keto food is very beneficial in fighting the initial cravings and adaptation phase.

    Huh, interesting. I've generally heard the recommendation of fasting beforehand instead.

    Personally, I suspect the quickest way to switch is to do intense exercise between the last non-keto meal and the first keto meal. It'd burn through a lot of the glucose glycogen stored in the liver and muscles, forcing the liver to release ketones immediately instead of waiting a day for them to deplete normally. Though you'd probably get the shakes from hypoglycemia in the meantime.

    For me, I've just switched to keto foods and let the switch happen on it's own over the course of a few hours. No need to rush it. Thankfully I have a harder time going off of keto than getting on

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Huh, interesting. I’ve generally heard the recommendation of fasting beforehand instead.

    Fasting is the fastest (heh) way to get into a ketogenic metabolism! It's true. I'm just optimizing for minimal cravings when people switch.

    I suspect the quickest way to switch is to do intense exercise between the last non-keto meal and the first keto meal. It’d burn through a lot of the glucose glycogen stored in the liver and muscles, forcing the liver to release ketones immediately instead of waiting a day for them to deplete normally. Though you’d probably get the shakes from hypoglycemia in the meantime.

    Fasting + intense cardio would deplete the glycogen reserves it's true, but gluconeogensis will replace them. I think the key is to just keep insulin levels down and give the body enough time to adapt. Some people struggle with cravings, some people temptation, some people just need to get it done - so they will all have different strategies

    For me, I’ve just switched to keto foods and let the switch happen on it’s own over the course of a few hours. No need to rush it. Thankfully I have a harder time going off of keto than getting on

    That is awesome! Well done.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't know if this is simply tone not transferring through text, but it really feels like you're talking down to me in this last comment. You haven't told me anything I didn't already know and congratulated me on something I've been doing for 7 years. It's a bit odd.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think the double bonus will vary based on how "keto-ish" you go; you will still need to enter and maintain ketosis!

    I "tried" keto for ages but kept giving myself little treats (and vodka) which kept me out of ketosis... Still lost weight, but it wasn't really keto 😂

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