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[+] -20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

It's Russians that live in the Donbass, not Poles.

There are a few Taiwanese in Taiwan apart from Chinese,
a few Australians in Australia apart from Anglos,
and a few Americans in the US apart from Anglos,
but there are no Ukrainians in the Ukraine.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    In Ukraine in general, ~68% speak Ukranian natively, ~17% are native Ukranian/Russian bilingual, ~14% are native Russian speakers.

    In the Donbas, ~27% Ukrainian native speakers, ~29% bilinguals, ~42% Russian native speakers.

    Going by nationality:

    ~73% of Ukranian nationals natively speak Ukranian.

    ~18% of Ukranian nationals are bilingual natives.

    ~9% of Ukranian nationals natively speak Russian.

    ~4% of Russian nationals natively speak Ukranian.

    ~14% of Russian nationals are bilingual.

    ~81% of Russian nationals natively speak Russian.

    All these numbers are from 2017.

    ...

    I think it is safe to say that there are in fact many Ukranians in Ukraine, even many Ukranians in Donbas, at least prior to 2022... due to, you know, the ethnic cleansing undertaken by an occupying foreign national army.

    My napkin math on those numbers works out to 53% Russian nationals vs 46% Ukranian nationals in Donbas in 2017.

    Using a 53% Russian vs 46% Ukranian proportion to justify mass military force against the Ukranian population in Donbas is roughly the same logic that would conclude it is morally correct to invade Los Angeles and deport everyone who isn't fluent in English, which has similar proportions between English and Spanish.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    Ah yes, they are just "confused Russians" who speak a different language because of the ebul West.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In the Donbas? Half of them speak Russian natively, you dunce. About another fifth are natively bilingual.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Since you started it: are you blind?

    There are no Ukrainians in Ukraine

    "There are Ukrainians in Ukraine"

    They weren't talking about the Donbas specifically, they were talking about the entire Ukraine.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

    No, they are fascist Russians who speak a different language because they hated communism and decided to turn their Russian dialect into a full-blown language.
    The Soviets decided to respect the language and cultural differences as long as they denounced their fascism.
    Plus "The West" is too vague a term to take seriously.

    If you're from the US, you're soon going to be familiar with such 'fascist split-off "nation"' like the ROC and Ukraine have been.
    There won't be no lie low enough not to continue for them. US fascists will claim that they're the true USA and later claim that they've never been part of the USA in history. Their lies go on and on until kingdom come.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Yeah, the famous communist hating "Russians" deciding to write in Ukrainian in the 1840s.

    Alexander II. banned any publications in Ukrainian. But yeah, totally just fascist Russians lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    God I'm so fucking tired of idiot liberals who refuse to read history and think their ignorant fucking smarm is the same as knowledge

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You are now a liberal if you don't think every Ukrainian is a fascist.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Literally meaningless when you subtract the dripping attitude. Just a fucking moron making themselves feel smart alone in the shower.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Do you have any arguments for all ukrainians being fascista russians speaking a dialect and not a language or are you just angry?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    You can't even write a coherent sentence and you want me to respond to your incoherent smarmy shit.

    What premise are you asking me to defend as if it's my own opinion?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Brother.

    This thread began with the hypothesis that there are no Ukrainians in Ukraine and that all Ukrainians are just fascist Russians elevating a "Dialect" to a language because they hate communism.

    To my knowledge, Ukrainian split from old Ruthenian in the 13th and was acknowledged as its own language in the 1840s, way before any communist states arose in Russia or the Ukraine.

    Alexander II. even outlawed the language in Ukraine.

    So, enlightened person, tell me what part of this is just "librul smorm".

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Hey you want to try that again? I asked you what premise you were asking me to defend after your semi-literate scrawl and you replied with A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPIC THAN THE ONE YOU JUST SPOKE TO so I'm wondering if you had to restate would you come up with a third, completely unrelated topic.

    You fucking incoherent fascist supporting idiot.

    Your brain literally does not work properly. Are you being a dumb piece of shit who can't argue without putting words in my mouth by pretending I said all Ukrainians are nazis? Or are you being a dumb piece of shit who can't argue without putting words in my mouth by pretending I said Ukrainian is not a real language?

    There are only two options. What kind of stupid piece of shit are you?

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Dialects have names. Go back further and you'll notice the language starts out in Kiev, same as Russian, in the same era as the same language.

    Again, if you live in the US, you'll have this historical revisionism fun of fascism too soon.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Lol, the differences between Ukrainian and Russian began in the 13th century, when old Ukrainian shifted /g/ to /Ι£/ and then to modern day /Ι¦/. By that logic, Germany should swallow the Netherlands because clearly Dutch and German have the same origins and are just dialects. Hell, if you go back to the 11th century, i.e. the Kievan Rus, a bunch of now distinct languages were much closer to each other.

    Ukrainian has a lot more German, Polish and Tartar loanwords than Russian. Southwestern Dialects of Ukrainian are closer to Polish than to Russian. Ukrainian has an 38% difference in Vocabulary to Russian, which is roughly the difference between Italian and Spanish. Ukrainian also preserved it's vocative case, which has disappeared from Russian. It possesses 3 different future tenses, opposed to 2 in Russian. These are two different languages

    Soviet promotion of the Ukrainian language was not an "appeasement of fascist russians", it was a reversal of Tsarist oppression. Just up until the 1930s, when the USSR again made a 180 turn on their language policies throughout its territory.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The only historical revisionist here is you.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I'm not the one who took down the Catherine the Great statue in Odessa.

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