I do object to presenting it as the one and only (or ideal) solution to everything.

It's not the only path to metabolic health, there are many valid ways to be healthy. I would say it is the ideal path, but that is just my opinion.

I give it a reading while pretending not to be autistic, I pick up on the implication that anyone who snores is fat. I think the responses you’ve gotten confirm this interpretation.

Not fat! Metabolically unwell. You surely have heard of skinny fat people - thin on the outside but with visceral fat. So non-obese people can have fat in unhealthy places.

“Being fat causes snoring. Here’s how to reduce body fat.” vs “Being fat can cause snoring. If that happens to apply to you, here is what I believe to be the best solution.”

Snoring is a early sign of poor metabolic health, the easiest way to fix that is.... (I would say keto as the most effective intervention, but there are many ways to resolve it).

The “access through your institution” button appears to be broken right now.

I included a link to the paper directly (rather then just the official doi link) - you can just click here to read it directly - Full Paper here

Based on the abstract, it looks to be more about glycemic load than ketosis. So their findings likely also apply to the ketogenic diet, but I see no reason to believe it to be necessary.

Obesity is driven by carbohydrates. Fat burning, requires the absence of carbohydrates in the blood. It is not necessary to produce enough ketones to be detectable in the blood to be in a fat based metabolism, but it is still a ketogenic state. People using CICO for weight control are still entering a ketogenic state between meals, when they sleep, etc. A ketogenic diet just prolongs this ketogenic state to a greater percentage of the day. Any time carbohydrates are consumed, blood glucose rises, raising insulin - when insulin is elevated the body will not mobilize fat from adipose tissue, i.e. it pauses fat burning. So someone eating the standard 3 meals and 3 snacks with carbs is pausing their fat burning 6 times per day (for 2-4 hours per eating session depending on their inherit insulin resistance) - Which is almost the entire day.

What I do question is the attribution of poor metabolic health to carbs alone, and all carbs on top of that. From what I know, just about everything in the body interacts with everything else, so while that means changing one thing (like reducing carb intake) can fix a lot of things, it is highly unlikely that the blame can be placed on any single thing. There are many ways to improve your health.

Totally agreed! There are many factors that go into metabolic health

• Elevated insulin levels
• High sugar foods
• Processed foods
• Industrial Oils consumption (driving inflammation)
• Randel Cycle activation (Sugar and fat eaten at the same time driving inflammation)
• Food allergies and intolerances
• Lack of physical activity
• Agrochemical contamination of foods
• Pollution

Each one of these can increase overall inflammation and insulin resistance. It appears people have a inflammation budget in which they can maintain metabolic health, but it's very easy for people to go outside of this budget. The average westerner is getting all of the above negative factors, and for them the most effective path back into good health is to remove the carbohydrates. In the context of snoring the single most important thing to resolving ectopic fat is hormonal control, meaning normal insulin levels throughout the day - just cutting carbohydrates will do that overnight, its the most effective leaver to pull. Yes someone could increase their physical activity, cut out seed oils - gradually lowering their overall inflammation to the point where they can get their hormones under control, but its a much longer path then cutting carbohydrates.

Yes, Carbohydrates may not be the big evil in modern health (its some combination of the above as you said), but eliminating them is the most effective way to resolve metabolic issues.

I really don’t have the time or energy to read something that just reconfirms my beliefs. I’m also not that interested in snoring, but I am interested in reading about nutrition. You also said it yourself: “[snoring is] not a major health concern (sleep apnea is)”

I'm happy to talk about any topics of health or nutrition in detail, we don't just have to talk about snoring, feel free to make a post in !ketogenic@discuss.online

Fair. I did allude to all the other times you’ve brought this up. I should’ve been clearer.

Ta! I appreciate you, we are communicating, which is the best possible outcome on lemmy.