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[–] 28 points 1 year ago (21 children)

There exist countries that have already offered safe haven/asylum to US'ians... Especially to LGBTQ.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Links, please? I haven't seen anything suggesting that, yet.

    I'm probably OK. I'm straight. I'm White. Though I am agnostic and don't buy the State Religion behind Project 2025.

    My wife, however, is Black, Bisexual, and Pagan, four strikes, and now I'm a race traitor for having married her, so there's my strike.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Just to point out it doesn't matter how white you are if you say something they don't agree with.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Or do something they don't agree with. Like marrying a Black bisexual pagan woman.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I mean, take a good look at Luigi and how hard they're trying to blame him. You don't get much more white than Italian. Maybe Scottish, but it's close.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I mean, I actually think it is very possible to be more white than Italians—they weren’t even considered white in America until the last 100 years or so.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, this. I'm quite sure if I ventured back to the place where I grew up I could find more than a few people that would consider Italians as non-white.

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    From a non- paywall article about Hannah Kreager:

    Her pending claim for protection in the Great White North could be a landmark case, the American believes.

    'I'm here in Canada with a terrific lawyer taking up my unprecedented case: seeking asylum from the United States of America on the grounds of violation of human rights,' she posted online.

    'My case is a precedent-setting one, and if successful, could make asylum for trans people in the U.S. possible.'

    I hope she's successful. The Safe Third Country agreement needs to be ended. Until that time, the path to claiming refuge status from the US will be extremely expensive and onerous and not likely to be successful. The canadian government needs to be called out on their hypocrisy and refusal to 'rock the boat' by ending it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't know if the Safe Third Country agreement would apply to this, since the US wouldn't be the Third Country. Wouldn't that only apply if she went from somewhere else in the world to the US and then to Canada. She's from the US, not from somewhere else coming to Canada via the US. I think if it did she would've been deported immediately.

    But yeah ending the Safe Third Country agreement needs to be a priority. They're sending people to a gulag down there FFS, it's definitely not a safe third country for asylum seekers by any stretch of the imagination.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Thanks for these. They don't make it clear that Canada is a valid destination for LGBTQ+ folks to seek asylum from, but they do indicate that there is discussion in Canada. Have to see how the referenced cases go, though.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    My google-fu hasn't up to this point. In fact, I get lots of results saying that Americans are not welcome as asylum seekers in my googling. Your single link only shows places that take American immigrants, not places welcoming American refugees. In fact, New Zealand is suffering from a Conservative-inflicted recession that is making things difficult for immigrants and natives alike, and Australia has some serious restrictions on immigrants (a close friend of mine did that route and barely made the cut). And Canada? Despite a victory for the Liberal Party and 'elbows up' regarding American rhetoric, they still have lots of people angry about how immigration has been handled.

    If you actually have links to help get victimised people out of the USA, maybe instead of 'why don't u google it urself', maybe post those links. That's FAR more helpful than the whole 'go do it urself!' response. :)

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  • I think there is a gross overestimation of the support that is available. I've seen a lot of bad articles copying and pasting different parts of immigration policy and programs but without understanding how it works as a whole.

    Like, Canada has a website about helping LGBTQI+ refugees ( https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/refugees/about-refugee-system/2slgbtqi-plus.html ) and it includes partnerships with groups like Rainbow Railroad who can refer people in need of resettlement to the refugee process.

    But if you only look at that and fail to consider the safe third country agreement, you're giving false hope.

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