▲ 139 ▼ The EU could be scanning your private chats by October 2025 [Denmark has reintroduced chat control] (www.techradar.com) submitted 1 year ago by Sunshine@piefed.ca to c/privacy@programming.dev 34 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago (17 children) Time to use matrix, I guess permalink fedilink source hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago I’ve been using Matrix with muh fam for a few years, and it’s been great. My significant other puts up with my shenanigans and tests out different apps with me, and SimpleX has been pretty decent for a server-less option. I believe you can host your own node if you feel inclined to. XMPP would be fantastic if the clients were a little better. They’re by no means bad, just not as polished as Element. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sunshine@piefed.ca [S] 7 points 1 year ago Decentralize baby! permalink fedilink source parent [–] angrystego@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) Why matrix and not Signal? Genuine question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Because matrix is decentralised, like lemmy, and is therefore really hard to get compromised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] angrystego@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That's nice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hirom@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) Technology cannot solve purely political problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) But, it can prevent political problems hurting my privacy.. And there is nothing they can do against it. If they force matrix to insert a backdoor, I just use a fork without it. If they force my Linux distributor to add a backdoor, I just use a fork without it. If they force a backdoor in iOS and Android, I use a fork of open source android or mainline linux for phones, without it. If they want to hang me because I do such things, I riot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hirom@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) These technical workarounds may work for a little while, and are useful to some extent. But they're not long term solutions for a government that regularly increase its surveillance powers at the expanse of privacy. China and Russia reached a level of surveillance and repression where people may get arrested for merely using Matrix/VPN/Tor, regarless of what it's used for. Political action is a better way to address bad politics before it reaches this point. This could include voting, activism, supporting privacy-friendly NGOs... Waiting until the last moment and then rioting isn't the best option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago Fair argument, which I agree on 😇 permalink fedilink source parent [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) I've been hearing a lot of complaints about matrix recently Giving Up on Element & Matrix.org permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (4 children) It is just people who are inpatient and think that a company offering FOSS software has as much resources as a company offering proprietary data collection services which they can sell It does what I need it to do and even more. All I need is a tool to communicate with my friends in secure way People who want to use it as replacement for discord are those who complain most, but I use it as replacement of WhatsApp etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) The guy who wrote that article has been pushing matrix for 5 years or so, and his complaints sound pretty legitimate. Not exactly clueless user bullshit. Did you read the article? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I did not say that the author is clueless, I just don’t see how you can expect fast development in a capitalist world when they don’t really sell anything Don’t get me wrong, I am frustrated about slow progress as well, but I have the opinion, that only whining about it does not make it better If you are not happy with the speed of progress, “just” get a team, fork it, and do it yourself Article was way to long, so I only skimmed it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you are not happy with the speed of progress, “just” get a team, fork it, and do it yourself Never understood this argument. Not everybody can be working on everything, and while Matrix is open source it's also got an official company maintaining it, so you'd have an uphill fight from the start. The obvious other choice is to use an alternative, which is what the author did by moving back to xmpp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago This exchange shows a clash of philosophies. While you are not wrong exactly, neither is your interlocutor. The "capitalist" mindset (as illustrated by your good-faith comment) is to treat this like shopping - "we'll just go elsewhere". But the whole point of FOSS is that we do the work, not "them". So while it's true that "not everyone can be working on everything", ultimately that's very much our problem and one that only we can solve. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blaze@piefed.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) But as long as things remain as they are, I don’t see the general public warming to Matrix.org/Element. The platform is cumbersome for newcomers and lacks user-facing features that people actually want, while simultaneously overexposing complex settings like roles, permissions, and addresses. It’s the ideal enterprise software – and I don’t mean that as a compliment. Even overloaded platforms like Discord ultimately focus on what users want: Dumb emojis and stickers, silly color themes, and intuitive server and friend management. Matrix, by contrast, feels like it was built for compliance departments and bureaucrats, not communities. Fair. Element X not supporting threads isn't really giving a good perspective on the platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago Things don’t remain as they are if other services are not encrypted anymore (or have backdoors) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago I’ve been using Matrix with muh fam for a few years, and it’s been great. My significant other puts up with my shenanigans and tests out different apps with me, and SimpleX has been pretty decent for a server-less option. I believe you can host your own node if you feel inclined to. XMPP would be fantastic if the clients were a little better. They’re by no means bad, just not as polished as Element. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) Why matrix and not Signal? Genuine question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Because matrix is decentralised, like lemmy, and is therefore really hard to get compromised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] angrystego@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That's nice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Because matrix is decentralised, like lemmy, and is therefore really hard to get compromised. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] angrystego@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That's nice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hirom@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) Technology cannot solve purely political problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) But, it can prevent political problems hurting my privacy.. And there is nothing they can do against it. If they force matrix to insert a backdoor, I just use a fork without it. If they force my Linux distributor to add a backdoor, I just use a fork without it. If they force a backdoor in iOS and Android, I use a fork of open source android or mainline linux for phones, without it. If they want to hang me because I do such things, I riot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hirom@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) These technical workarounds may work for a little while, and are useful to some extent. But they're not long term solutions for a government that regularly increase its surveillance powers at the expanse of privacy. China and Russia reached a level of surveillance and repression where people may get arrested for merely using Matrix/VPN/Tor, regarless of what it's used for. Political action is a better way to address bad politics before it reaches this point. This could include voting, activism, supporting privacy-friendly NGOs... Waiting until the last moment and then rioting isn't the best option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago Fair argument, which I agree on 😇 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) But, it can prevent political problems hurting my privacy.. And there is nothing they can do against it. If they force matrix to insert a backdoor, I just use a fork without it. If they force my Linux distributor to add a backdoor, I just use a fork without it. If they force a backdoor in iOS and Android, I use a fork of open source android or mainline linux for phones, without it. If they want to hang me because I do such things, I riot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hirom@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) These technical workarounds may work for a little while, and are useful to some extent. But they're not long term solutions for a government that regularly increase its surveillance powers at the expanse of privacy. China and Russia reached a level of surveillance and repression where people may get arrested for merely using Matrix/VPN/Tor, regarless of what it's used for. Political action is a better way to address bad politics before it reaches this point. This could include voting, activism, supporting privacy-friendly NGOs... Waiting until the last moment and then rioting isn't the best option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago Fair argument, which I agree on 😇 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hirom@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) These technical workarounds may work for a little while, and are useful to some extent. But they're not long term solutions for a government that regularly increase its surveillance powers at the expanse of privacy. China and Russia reached a level of surveillance and repression where people may get arrested for merely using Matrix/VPN/Tor, regarless of what it's used for. Political action is a better way to address bad politics before it reaches this point. This could include voting, activism, supporting privacy-friendly NGOs... Waiting until the last moment and then rioting isn't the best option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago Fair argument, which I agree on 😇 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago Fair argument, which I agree on 😇 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children) I've been hearing a lot of complaints about matrix recently Giving Up on Element & Matrix.org permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (4 children) It is just people who are inpatient and think that a company offering FOSS software has as much resources as a company offering proprietary data collection services which they can sell It does what I need it to do and even more. All I need is a tool to communicate with my friends in secure way People who want to use it as replacement for discord are those who complain most, but I use it as replacement of WhatsApp etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) The guy who wrote that article has been pushing matrix for 5 years or so, and his complaints sound pretty legitimate. Not exactly clueless user bullshit. Did you read the article? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I did not say that the author is clueless, I just don’t see how you can expect fast development in a capitalist world when they don’t really sell anything Don’t get me wrong, I am frustrated about slow progress as well, but I have the opinion, that only whining about it does not make it better If you are not happy with the speed of progress, “just” get a team, fork it, and do it yourself Article was way to long, so I only skimmed it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you are not happy with the speed of progress, “just” get a team, fork it, and do it yourself Never understood this argument. Not everybody can be working on everything, and while Matrix is open source it's also got an official company maintaining it, so you'd have an uphill fight from the start. The obvious other choice is to use an alternative, which is what the author did by moving back to xmpp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago This exchange shows a clash of philosophies. While you are not wrong exactly, neither is your interlocutor. The "capitalist" mindset (as illustrated by your good-faith comment) is to treat this like shopping - "we'll just go elsewhere". But the whole point of FOSS is that we do the work, not "them". So while it's true that "not everyone can be working on everything", ultimately that's very much our problem and one that only we can solve. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blaze@piefed.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) But as long as things remain as they are, I don’t see the general public warming to Matrix.org/Element. The platform is cumbersome for newcomers and lacks user-facing features that people actually want, while simultaneously overexposing complex settings like roles, permissions, and addresses. It’s the ideal enterprise software – and I don’t mean that as a compliment. Even overloaded platforms like Discord ultimately focus on what users want: Dumb emojis and stickers, silly color themes, and intuitive server and friend management. Matrix, by contrast, feels like it was built for compliance departments and bureaucrats, not communities. Fair. Element X not supporting threads isn't really giving a good perspective on the platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago Things don’t remain as they are if other services are not encrypted anymore (or have backdoors) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (4 children) It is just people who are inpatient and think that a company offering FOSS software has as much resources as a company offering proprietary data collection services which they can sell It does what I need it to do and even more. All I need is a tool to communicate with my friends in secure way People who want to use it as replacement for discord are those who complain most, but I use it as replacement of WhatsApp etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) The guy who wrote that article has been pushing matrix for 5 years or so, and his complaints sound pretty legitimate. Not exactly clueless user bullshit. Did you read the article? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I did not say that the author is clueless, I just don’t see how you can expect fast development in a capitalist world when they don’t really sell anything Don’t get me wrong, I am frustrated about slow progress as well, but I have the opinion, that only whining about it does not make it better If you are not happy with the speed of progress, “just” get a team, fork it, and do it yourself Article was way to long, so I only skimmed it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you are not happy with the speed of progress, “just” get a team, fork it, and do it yourself Never understood this argument. Not everybody can be working on everything, and while Matrix is open source it's also got an official company maintaining it, so you'd have an uphill fight from the start. The obvious other choice is to use an alternative, which is what the author did by moving back to xmpp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago This exchange shows a clash of philosophies. While you are not wrong exactly, neither is your interlocutor. The "capitalist" mindset (as illustrated by your good-faith comment) is to treat this like shopping - "we'll just go elsewhere". But the whole point of FOSS is that we do the work, not "them". So while it's true that "not everyone can be working on everything", ultimately that's very much our problem and one that only we can solve. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) The guy who wrote that article has been pushing matrix for 5 years or so, and his complaints sound pretty legitimate. Not exactly clueless user bullshit. Did you read the article? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I did not say that the author is clueless, I just don’t see how you can expect fast development in a capitalist world when they don’t really sell anything Don’t get me wrong, I am frustrated about slow progress as well, but I have the opinion, that only whining about it does not make it better If you are not happy with the speed of progress, “just” get a team, fork it, and do it yourself Article was way to long, so I only skimmed it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you are not happy with the speed of progress, “just” get a team, fork it, and do it yourself Never understood this argument. Not everybody can be working on everything, and while Matrix is open source it's also got an official company maintaining it, so you'd have an uphill fight from the start. The obvious other choice is to use an alternative, which is what the author did by moving back to xmpp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago This exchange shows a clash of philosophies. While you are not wrong exactly, neither is your interlocutor. The "capitalist" mindset (as illustrated by your good-faith comment) is to treat this like shopping - "we'll just go elsewhere". But the whole point of FOSS is that we do the work, not "them". So while it's true that "not everyone can be working on everything", ultimately that's very much our problem and one that only we can solve. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I did not say that the author is clueless, I just don’t see how you can expect fast development in a capitalist world when they don’t really sell anything Don’t get me wrong, I am frustrated about slow progress as well, but I have the opinion, that only whining about it does not make it better If you are not happy with the speed of progress, “just” get a team, fork it, and do it yourself Article was way to long, so I only skimmed it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you are not happy with the speed of progress, “just” get a team, fork it, and do it yourself Never understood this argument. Not everybody can be working on everything, and while Matrix is open source it's also got an official company maintaining it, so you'd have an uphill fight from the start. The obvious other choice is to use an alternative, which is what the author did by moving back to xmpp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago This exchange shows a clash of philosophies. While you are not wrong exactly, neither is your interlocutor. The "capitalist" mindset (as illustrated by your good-faith comment) is to treat this like shopping - "we'll just go elsewhere". But the whole point of FOSS is that we do the work, not "them". So while it's true that "not everyone can be working on everything", ultimately that's very much our problem and one that only we can solve. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you are not happy with the speed of progress, “just” get a team, fork it, and do it yourself Never understood this argument. Not everybody can be working on everything, and while Matrix is open source it's also got an official company maintaining it, so you'd have an uphill fight from the start. The obvious other choice is to use an alternative, which is what the author did by moving back to xmpp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago This exchange shows a clash of philosophies. While you are not wrong exactly, neither is your interlocutor. The "capitalist" mindset (as illustrated by your good-faith comment) is to treat this like shopping - "we'll just go elsewhere". But the whole point of FOSS is that we do the work, not "them". So while it's true that "not everyone can be working on everything", ultimately that's very much our problem and one that only we can solve. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago This exchange shows a clash of philosophies. While you are not wrong exactly, neither is your interlocutor. The "capitalist" mindset (as illustrated by your good-faith comment) is to treat this like shopping - "we'll just go elsewhere". But the whole point of FOSS is that we do the work, not "them". So while it's true that "not everyone can be working on everything", ultimately that's very much our problem and one that only we can solve. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) But as long as things remain as they are, I don’t see the general public warming to Matrix.org/Element. The platform is cumbersome for newcomers and lacks user-facing features that people actually want, while simultaneously overexposing complex settings like roles, permissions, and addresses. It’s the ideal enterprise software – and I don’t mean that as a compliment. Even overloaded platforms like Discord ultimately focus on what users want: Dumb emojis and stickers, silly color themes, and intuitive server and friend management. Matrix, by contrast, feels like it was built for compliance departments and bureaucrats, not communities. Fair. Element X not supporting threads isn't really giving a good perspective on the platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago Things don’t remain as they are if other services are not encrypted anymore (or have backdoors) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago Things don’t remain as they are if other services are not encrypted anymore (or have backdoors) permalink fedilink source parent