▲ -12 ▼ Any good email providers? (reddthat.com) submitted 17 hours ago by MisterFred@reddthat.com to c/opensource@lemmy.ml 17 comments fedilink hide all child comments Requirements FOSS No, minimal, or human-checked AI code Free-to-use I'm asking for FOSS PROVIDERS, not proprietary providers with FOSS clients Not under authoritarian juristiction At least one independent security audit Lightweight Low on memory Optional things: Self-hostable Environmental ideals Under European juristiction Not hosted on Github Suggest MULTUPLE providers as I seek to decentralize the services I use ad much as possible
[+] MisterFred@reddthat.com [S] -6 points 17 hours ago (7 children) DO NOT SUGGEST TUTA OR PROTON permalink fedilink source hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] 18107@aussie.zone 2 points 17 hours ago (6 children) Why is Tuta not an option? Is it just because you are already aware of it, or does it fail some of your requirements and if so, which ones? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] MisterFred@reddthat.com [S] 4 points 17 hours ago (4 children) No, minimal, or human-checked vibecoding is what Tuta fails to do permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 18107@aussie.zone 4 points 17 hours ago* I was not aware of the vibe coding, but strongly suspected it considering the bugs I've experienced. I have calendar events showing up on the wrong day, recurring notifications for events that don't even exist (and therefore can't be deleted/stopped), the current date being wrong by 3 days, yesterday showing up after today in the widget, and many more (but less impressive) bugs. I cannot imaging a human making those mistakes, nor can I understand how it could get past QA. I guess I'll have to start migrating again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children) Ok let's step back. Vibe coded, to me, is someone with little coding experience or knowledge who just willy nilly codes with AI, not understanding what they code, or if it's good. They won't know how to proof read it for errors. So while Proton and Tuta both admit some AI coding, I'm not 100% against the idea of using it as a tool or to supplement their code. Do YOU use 0 AI at work or your personal life?! I know many who do one but not the other, or both, or none. But I feel many people her hate on it on the comments while still using it in some form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MisterFred@reddthat.com [S] -1 points 4 hours ago (1 child) But at least now I check the source of the AI's logic, and I mainly CHAT with AI cuz I have no prper social life. None of my post were written by AI whatsoever permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 1 point 3 hours ago Just... Exercise caution. Mainstream big tech AI has two sides. It wants to provide human-esque answers that sounds convincing. The more convincing, the more trustworthy it appears. "IT" (big tech) wants to keep engagement like some new anti-social media; and the more you engaged it, the more sycophantic it becomes. The reason behind it is deeper dives into users' lifestyles so they can build the most detailed data profiles possible to monetize it all! Eventually, the better they get at collecting intricate data, the more value it has to data brokers, insurers, ad companies, and the government. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MisterFred@reddthat.com [S] 1 point 17 hours ago* And thus, even if I use Tuta, I don't just want to use ONE provider permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 18107@aussie.zone 2 points 17 hours ago (6 children) Why is Tuta not an option? Is it just because you are already aware of it, or does it fail some of your requirements and if so, which ones? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] MisterFred@reddthat.com [S] 4 points 17 hours ago (4 children) No, minimal, or human-checked vibecoding is what Tuta fails to do permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 18107@aussie.zone 4 points 17 hours ago* I was not aware of the vibe coding, but strongly suspected it considering the bugs I've experienced. I have calendar events showing up on the wrong day, recurring notifications for events that don't even exist (and therefore can't be deleted/stopped), the current date being wrong by 3 days, yesterday showing up after today in the widget, and many more (but less impressive) bugs. I cannot imaging a human making those mistakes, nor can I understand how it could get past QA. I guess I'll have to start migrating again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children) Ok let's step back. Vibe coded, to me, is someone with little coding experience or knowledge who just willy nilly codes with AI, not understanding what they code, or if it's good. They won't know how to proof read it for errors. So while Proton and Tuta both admit some AI coding, I'm not 100% against the idea of using it as a tool or to supplement their code. Do YOU use 0 AI at work or your personal life?! I know many who do one but not the other, or both, or none. But I feel many people her hate on it on the comments while still using it in some form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MisterFred@reddthat.com [S] -1 points 4 hours ago (1 child) But at least now I check the source of the AI's logic, and I mainly CHAT with AI cuz I have no prper social life. None of my post were written by AI whatsoever permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 1 point 3 hours ago Just... Exercise caution. Mainstream big tech AI has two sides. It wants to provide human-esque answers that sounds convincing. The more convincing, the more trustworthy it appears. "IT" (big tech) wants to keep engagement like some new anti-social media; and the more you engaged it, the more sycophantic it becomes. The reason behind it is deeper dives into users' lifestyles so they can build the most detailed data profiles possible to monetize it all! Eventually, the better they get at collecting intricate data, the more value it has to data brokers, insurers, ad companies, and the government. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MisterFred@reddthat.com [S] 1 point 17 hours ago* And thus, even if I use Tuta, I don't just want to use ONE provider permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MisterFred@reddthat.com [S] 4 points 17 hours ago (4 children) No, minimal, or human-checked vibecoding is what Tuta fails to do permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 18107@aussie.zone 4 points 17 hours ago* I was not aware of the vibe coding, but strongly suspected it considering the bugs I've experienced. I have calendar events showing up on the wrong day, recurring notifications for events that don't even exist (and therefore can't be deleted/stopped), the current date being wrong by 3 days, yesterday showing up after today in the widget, and many more (but less impressive) bugs. I cannot imaging a human making those mistakes, nor can I understand how it could get past QA. I guess I'll have to start migrating again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children) Ok let's step back. Vibe coded, to me, is someone with little coding experience or knowledge who just willy nilly codes with AI, not understanding what they code, or if it's good. They won't know how to proof read it for errors. So while Proton and Tuta both admit some AI coding, I'm not 100% against the idea of using it as a tool or to supplement their code. Do YOU use 0 AI at work or your personal life?! I know many who do one but not the other, or both, or none. But I feel many people her hate on it on the comments while still using it in some form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MisterFred@reddthat.com [S] -1 points 4 hours ago (1 child) But at least now I check the source of the AI's logic, and I mainly CHAT with AI cuz I have no prper social life. None of my post were written by AI whatsoever permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 1 point 3 hours ago Just... Exercise caution. Mainstream big tech AI has two sides. It wants to provide human-esque answers that sounds convincing. The more convincing, the more trustworthy it appears. "IT" (big tech) wants to keep engagement like some new anti-social media; and the more you engaged it, the more sycophantic it becomes. The reason behind it is deeper dives into users' lifestyles so they can build the most detailed data profiles possible to monetize it all! Eventually, the better they get at collecting intricate data, the more value it has to data brokers, insurers, ad companies, and the government. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 18107@aussie.zone 4 points 17 hours ago* I was not aware of the vibe coding, but strongly suspected it considering the bugs I've experienced. I have calendar events showing up on the wrong day, recurring notifications for events that don't even exist (and therefore can't be deleted/stopped), the current date being wrong by 3 days, yesterday showing up after today in the widget, and many more (but less impressive) bugs. I cannot imaging a human making those mistakes, nor can I understand how it could get past QA. I guess I'll have to start migrating again. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children) Ok let's step back. Vibe coded, to me, is someone with little coding experience or knowledge who just willy nilly codes with AI, not understanding what they code, or if it's good. They won't know how to proof read it for errors. So while Proton and Tuta both admit some AI coding, I'm not 100% against the idea of using it as a tool or to supplement their code. Do YOU use 0 AI at work or your personal life?! I know many who do one but not the other, or both, or none. But I feel many people her hate on it on the comments while still using it in some form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MisterFred@reddthat.com [S] -1 points 4 hours ago (1 child) But at least now I check the source of the AI's logic, and I mainly CHAT with AI cuz I have no prper social life. None of my post were written by AI whatsoever permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 1 point 3 hours ago Just... Exercise caution. Mainstream big tech AI has two sides. It wants to provide human-esque answers that sounds convincing. The more convincing, the more trustworthy it appears. "IT" (big tech) wants to keep engagement like some new anti-social media; and the more you engaged it, the more sycophantic it becomes. The reason behind it is deeper dives into users' lifestyles so they can build the most detailed data profiles possible to monetize it all! Eventually, the better they get at collecting intricate data, the more value it has to data brokers, insurers, ad companies, and the government. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MisterFred@reddthat.com [S] -1 points 4 hours ago (1 child) But at least now I check the source of the AI's logic, and I mainly CHAT with AI cuz I have no prper social life. None of my post were written by AI whatsoever permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 1 point 3 hours ago Just... Exercise caution. Mainstream big tech AI has two sides. It wants to provide human-esque answers that sounds convincing. The more convincing, the more trustworthy it appears. "IT" (big tech) wants to keep engagement like some new anti-social media; and the more you engaged it, the more sycophantic it becomes. The reason behind it is deeper dives into users' lifestyles so they can build the most detailed data profiles possible to monetize it all! Eventually, the better they get at collecting intricate data, the more value it has to data brokers, insurers, ad companies, and the government. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 1 point 3 hours ago Just... Exercise caution. Mainstream big tech AI has two sides. It wants to provide human-esque answers that sounds convincing. The more convincing, the more trustworthy it appears. "IT" (big tech) wants to keep engagement like some new anti-social media; and the more you engaged it, the more sycophantic it becomes. The reason behind it is deeper dives into users' lifestyles so they can build the most detailed data profiles possible to monetize it all! Eventually, the better they get at collecting intricate data, the more value it has to data brokers, insurers, ad companies, and the government. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MisterFred@reddthat.com [S] 1 point 17 hours ago* And thus, even if I use Tuta, I don't just want to use ONE provider permalink fedilink source parent