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What are some things X11 can do that Wayland still can't? (piefed.zip)
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The biggest thing I can think of is that X11 is more flexible when it comes to specifying custom resolutions; which some people use to output 240p on CRT TVs for emulation. AFAIK, there is currently no real equivalent for xrandr on any Wayland compositor.

I've also noticed that Grsync's password prompt is broken on Wayland. Thankfully, it has a feature that lets you preview the command it's about to run, so that you can copy and paste it into a terminal.

Being a KDE user on EndeavourOS, I use Wayland everyday. I switched over a few years ago for Waydroid, but now X11 isn't even an option for me with the current release of KDE.

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[–] 3 points 1 day ago (6 children)

So, just discovering the joys of virtual monitors available in the kernel now. NAS now has and gives me sunshine. Bazzite lets you put your own monitors' (ujust setup-sunshine - Configure Virtual Monitor) edid into initramfs so sunshine (and KDE remote access if you want laggy but cut and paste enabled) work without a monitor connection (or dongle), very cool. Just thought I should spread the news and this is vaguely associated.

Not really relevant to the X11 question, except that it provides a (superior) workaround for some issues..

To the actual question, xtool for automating UI stuff hasn't been completely replicated, but given it's an insecure horrible solution I'm OK. Also running a program through a remote connection on a beefier machine was useful at times, is there an equivalent other than remote access?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    Is there an equivalent other than remote access?

    Yes, there is waypipe. Very close analog to ssh -X, arguably better. Even lets me access my local clipboard in wl-copy/wl-paste commands on the remote.
    It's not part of ssh though, so needs to be installed on server and client.

    I found waypipe to be way more responsive than X11, and just ... better somehow. More integrated into the other programs.

    When using it, take care that pam is enabled in sshd. Else it won't initialize the proper xdg environment which wayland stuff doesn't like.

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  • [–] 1 point 20 hours ago (3 children)

    thanks. I have not done a workstation in awhile except for my wife and keep on thinking about doing it. This funtion is one that gives me a bit more motivation.

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  • [–] 1 point 20 hours ago (2 children)

    Btw. for now you can also still use X for this, it works just fine via xWayland on wayland desktops, and programs still generally support both x11 and wayland.

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  • [–] 1 point 20 hours ago (1 child)

    yeah we had beefy graphics workstations at a place I worked and we would do this all the time. I sorta thought it had went the way of the dodo.

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  • [–] 1 point 20 hours ago*

    Still quite a thing. Though probably slower than ever since programs have increasingly more trips back and forth with the display server, and with x11 every one of them has to transit the connection. With an 8ms ping to a server, I expect programs to take 10-30s to start, 5-10s to open dropdown menus, and ~3s+ to scroll. I'm quite happy waypipe is a thing, I mostly ditched ssh -X voluntarily to avoid all this, though sometimes suffering a slow program for a few minutes is still faster than installing waypipe when setting up a new system.

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