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[–] 20 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Transport safety is measured in macro scale by how many deaths/injuries/incidents/etc. per person-km travelled. For example, if there's 100 people on a plane that travels 1000km, then 100 people travelled 1000km, so that one flight is 100,000 person-kilometers. If one person drives a car 1000km, then that's just 1000 person-km.

Planes are in the range 0.07 incidents per billion person-km. Cars are 3.7 per billion. Motorcycles are over 100.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago* (2 children)

    Motorcycles are more dangerous than I thought! Would have thought a factor of 4 maybe.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago

    Motorcycles also generally only carry 1-2 people, so the person-km to vehicle-km ratio is closer to 1 compared to other forms of transportation. They're also unstable, small and tend to be operated even more carelessly than cars.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago

    Something is off with your statistic. Can you provide a source?

    Planes being only ~50x safer per passenger mile doesn't sound right. Is that including all planes? General aviation is far more dangerous than commercial aviation, which might skew the statistic

    Per passenger mile commercial aviation should be at least 100x safer than cars, I would think

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Motorcycles are over 100.

    Only in America, where motorcycles are a toy people with too much money and issues with their self-image buy to play with on weekends, 1/3 of which involve drinking, a significant number not wearing helmets, and are mostly dipshits who drive off the road taking a corner incorrectly. It's much safer in the rest of the world.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (2 children)

    I'd be surprised if southeast asia is more safe than the US in traffic deaths

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

    The problem is everyone drinking then riding a bike with a phone in 1 hand and a cigarette in the other, wearing a thin plastic hat with zero protection instead of a helmet and ignoring red lights.

    But if the anti-drunk-motorcycling initiatives are a bit more successful like they have been for car operation in the US, and they continue to expand the bus system while lowering cost, it will be much safer than the US, just because everyone rides so slow and cars watch out for bikes. I have literally never seen road rage or people being a dick by trying to block someone from passing in Vietnam, meanwhile every motorcyclist in the US has had cars intentionally block them from filtering/splitting, yell at them, or try to push them out of their lane. Hell even on Lemmy I have had random car-brains tell me I am endangering them by splitting or passing traffic in ways cars can't.

    Over the last 2 years, since cops starting watching the worst lights and put cameras at a lot, I've seen many fewer people going 3+ seconds during a red light. I think it will be uncommon in a few more years.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    I have literally never seen road rage or people being a dick by trying to block someone from passing in Vietnam,

    Entirely true, but then I've only ever seen 300 mopeds/motorcycles line up across both lanes of an intersection and just weave through eachother when the light goes green (or before) in Asia. On the other hand, I've never seen it go wrong.

    meanwhile every motorcyclist in the US has had cars intentionally block them from filtering/splitting, yell at them, or try to push them out of their lane. Hell even on Lemmy I have had random car-brains tell me I am endangering them by splitting or passing traffic in ways cars can’t.

    Carbrains are the weirdest people. "How dare you not make traffic worse like I am?!" is such a uniquely shit take. Buuuut, I do see plenty of lane splitting at >50km/h here in europe too.

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