Fuck AI

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[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 7 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (6 children)

Another avenue is doing regular screenings, orally or hand-written. Any sus answers, that student gets flagged and further evaluated.

But, the problem is, as I'm sure the article I haven't read points out, that cost-benefit is all fucked up. The benefit to students is they get a degree without having to do any work, so lots of people are going to do it, and the cost to Universities would be having to expel a good chunk of their students, which is going to cost them a lot of tuition money and alumni donations.

The reality is that the value of a university education--outside of STEM--in this bloated labor market is really just a social credit. What we need to tackle is all the poeple who can't get hired for positions they are absolutely qualified for but can't get because they don't have a degree.

There is something called a BONAFIDE QUALIFICATION written into employment law, and "college education" is considred a bonafide qualification even if it's not.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 5 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

A real education is very important in many ways, some of which are harder to quantify. Instead of pushing people through these bullshit conveyor belts in what is sometimes little more than glorified daycare for adult children, we should actually fix education. Instead, it's under attack by fascists all over the planet because an educated populace is not as easily controlled.

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[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Yes, there's education and then there's degrees. In my experience, anybody is capble fo getting a degree, but education is optional and largely up to the student. The only degrees that demand an actual ability to think and research and formulate are PhDs.

I find colleges and universities are, at this point, largely extractive, dumping people into adulthood with massive debts and no employable skills and I am through supporting them in any way. That doesn't mean I don't value an education or the ability to think critically, I'm just using my ability to think critically to realize that much of higher education is a scam, and the role of a degree is socially determined.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The student is only part of the equation: If they were never given the tools to learn to begin with, that's on society more than it is the student. I do agree though: One can obtain a degree without actually having received an education.

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[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 15 hours ago (1 child)

I think most people just don't engage analytically no matter what tools you give them. My sister & I went to the same exact schools and she ended up a homeschooling anti-vaxer.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago

I think even many people who are willfully ignorant can be reached, but things have to kind of line up for it to work. The odds of that happening in an educational system that has been gutted are much lower, which is probably what the assholes doing the gutting are counting on.

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[–] dontgogettingtooclever@piefed.social 2 points 18 hours ago

It seems like the quality and nature of the education system is impacted by the economic system in which it exists

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[–] RxBrad@infosec.pub 0 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Okay, but here's the situation at the institution where someone I know teaches...

Students enroll with Disability Services (roughly 1/3 of the class) because they tell their doctor they have test anxiety. Doctor then gives them a notes saying "so-and-so has test anxiety". Nevermind the fact that anxiety around a test should be a normal reaction -- particularly tests you never prepared for.

They get presented with a buffet of options for what will help them "succeed". And THE STUDENT picks what they want. Triple time to complete their tests? Unlimited unsupervised bathroom breaks? Flexible scheduling (i.e. taking the test after everyone else got their results back & knows the answers)? Private testing rooms with no proctor? Ability to use AI "just for grammar"? It's all there...

Absolute raging trashfire...