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[–] 8 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Drug addiction causes direct physical harm to the user. If you remove the monetary cost, the other social harms are mostly resolved. There is very little danger to anyone other than the user if we treat substance addiction as an illness in the way described in this Tumblr post.

Sexual assault, by definition, harms other people besides the person who has the psychological problem. There is not really a way to treat it as an illness that mostly resolves the social harms.

I think that violent offenders should be kept away from the rest of society to reduce their ability to harm others. I think some of them are truly remorseful and can be rehabilitated, and those people can and should receive treatment and be reintegrated after they are no longer dangerous to others. I think some offenders are psychopaths who cannot be rehabilitated, and the only way we protect our society is to keep those people imprisoned indefinitely.

All of these things can be true at the same time, but internet forums are usually not conducive to nuanced conversations about complex topics.

I haven't followed Russell Brand's legal case. Has he expressed remorse and sought help, or has he just denied having committed a crime? I don't think we can help anyone until they admit that they need help.

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  • [–] -5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

    Wrong on both counts - drug addiction harms anybody connected with the user, and sexual abuse behaviors harm the behaver, just in much less obvious ways. This is the exact kind of rationalization people create to deny reality.

    edit: Every single response to this comment is "they aren't the same thing" because drug abusers only harm themselves and sexual predators only harm others. Wrong on both counts. Drug addition hurts everyone involved with the addict, and any kind of violence hurts the attacker, just in different and much less obvious ways. Instead of trying to rationalize refusing to help perpetrators get over being the way they are - because doing that would just make you complicit, and you crave vengeance! - maybe try to get over seeing everything as a binary choice between good and evil.

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  • [–] 4 points 17 hours ago (1 child)

    The harm to the people connected to the user, if you remove monetary aspects, is mostly grief about their loved one's condition. Not physical harm (usually).

    OTOH I don't think addiction is an illness. It is a consequence of a poor decision which is hard to undo. Nobody is born an addict (unless your mother was a heavy addict too), and there's no addiction germ. That said, consequences of a bad decision should be treated, not criminalized. If I decide to put my legs in the wood chipper, that's a bad decision and I and my family will suffer from it. And I need medical treatment, not jail.

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  • [–] 6 points 15 hours ago

    The harm to the people connected to the user, if you remove monetary aspects, is mostly grief about their loved one's condition. Not physical harm (usually).

    That was basically what I was going for in my reply, but it seems the person I was replying to was just looking for a straw man to attack. Thanks for reiterating.

    I don't know what to think in regard to addiction as an illness vs a series of choices. There's so much we don't know about our brains and our genes, and someday we may find that addiction is more attributable to biochemistry than to making choices. (Also, I'm a determinist, so I don't believe "free will" can really exist. But I'm also a pragmatist, so I recognize that it's useful for a society to operate under the assumption that people have agency and therefore can be held responsible for their actions.)

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