Today has been especially bad, and was inspired sadly by about 6 straight posts of only negativity here.

I want to say that being negative towards something is not a bad thing, it's very valid to critique things. However, a community becomes toxic when the majority of it's content is negative.

Gaming is an obvious one. It's very obvious all around the internet that gaming communities are negative generally, and Lemmy certainly takes the cake. In the case of GTA 6 coming out this month we can (and have) had multiple stories about Rockstar's unethical practices, the pricing, ownership, and to be clear I agree with all of it. However, there is also valid positive things that people want to discuss but are immediately downvoted to hell, or have comments brigaded on with responses like "Don't you know about X, Y, or Z??"

I've been in comment threads where people have told me that they are afraid to post here because of the responses they might get. Now this is absolutely true everywhere, and we will often respond "You just have to tune them out" but the scales are shifting to the majority of responses are negative.

New users will not simply block/tune out the majority of commenters. New users will see that a community is toxic and turn around and go back to where they felt it was better.

This is the root of my frustration - that Lemmy is no longer a geeky place where people can talk about Star Trek and Linux - but that it's becoming a toxic place where if you aren't talking about why Star Trek and Linux are the only good things on the planet that it should be called out over and over.

Worse is that the scales a tipping to simply being "If it is popular, it is not good" which is a huge red flag for toxic community. To be clear it does not mean that if something is popular that it must be good, but instead we are falling for the same trap that is on corporate social media.

Anger and toxicity are fun, they are dopamine hits. So when there's a huge post about <> and everyone dogpiles, everyone has that dopamine hit and it spreads, and it makes people want to dogpile more. Unfortunately I think this has left individual posts, and this is now driving a large part of our comment sections, that people feel included when they are all dogpiling on a popular thing. It's addictive.

It's incessant and exhausting being here some days.

Some examples to think on:

  • Harry Potter fans (who have already said they will not buy anything from Rowling again and are aware) who still want to enjoy the books/movies they already own, but are shouted down and downvoted
  • Sports fans posting about football, to have jokes about "sportsball" made to them.
    • (Is that really any different from nerds being made fun of by jocks in highschool, only this is in reverse and worse yet, we're supposedly more mature now?)
  • Freaking pumpkin spice. The world is on fire and people get a tiny bit of joy out of cinnamon and allspice, can we let them just enjoy that?!

I think that sums it all up, I wish people could just enjoy things here without having the majority of comments be about why they shouldn't enjoy it. I think this attitude has already lost of a good chunk of users who could be adding to the fediverse, instead now back on corporate social media.

It's anecdotal but I've shown the fediverse to 3 other people who are trekkie nerds like me. They gave up in less than a week not because the fediverse was complicated, but because they felt like they weren't wanted here.

Be the positive change, be encouraging. Don't belittle for someone for liking a popular thing if you like something more obscure, instead post about obscure thing and why you like it and share it! Inform users of things like Rowlings insane shit-headery, but don't demean them for still enjoying the books. If you don't like sports that's cool, but let them cheer on their team.

Thanks for listening. I'm going to have a pumpkin spice latte now.

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[–] 53 points 21 hours ago (14 children)

I post climate articles I find interesting rather indiscriminately probably 70/30 downer/upper, but the engagement I see in terms of upvotes/comments is probably 90/10 downer/upper.

I'm saying this because I dont think there's a dirth of positive content, it's just not being encouraged to flourish.

Be the change you want to see in the world and upvote/comment on positive content. Even silly affirmations help things float up the algowall.

If you want to take things further, post positive and organic content! Adopt a community and make it your goal to add something to it every week - start growing the positive culture you want. It'll feel rough to start because you likely won't get any engagement, but keep at it so folks know its okay for them to share as well.

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  • [–] 19 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

    To add on to this with another probably unpopular opinion: The Fediverse proves that the main problem with social media isn’t algorithms, it’s people.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    I would tack on to say there is some degree of outside pressure. What killed Reddit in many ways for me was that the culture. I think bots and bad actors push for a more doomed content. Some people’s outlook are problematic for fostering a positive, growth mindset community, but the well is actively being targeted everywhere on the internet these days.

    I can’t even play an MMO for instance without seeing a barrage of ads to offsite content by bots or people doomer posting to influence others to be disengaged and a doomer as well, so they don’t turn out to vote as an example. The networks that did this type of behavior used to operate at most a few months before elections and such, but many of them have been year round and all the time since around 2019 and onwards.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 hours ago

    Maybe, but I also think people are too quick on blaming everything on bots in general. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a bot (Not you in particular, but people like to call opposition bots).

    I am certain that bots and malicious actors have played a big role in creating divisions on social media in the past decade, but must also remember that a lot of this is self sustaining from people who may have been influenced by bots in the first place.

    I also doubt that manipulative bots are that common on the Fediverse. It’s probably small enough that it’s not really worth the effort for malicious actors to target.

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  • [–] 8 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

    A+ silly affirmation! Spread those around like they come with measles!

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  • [–] 6 points 17 hours ago (1 child)

    Just so you know - you inspired me. While I was doing my nightly read-up on my RSS feeds, I made the deliberate choice to pull mostly positive climate stories, and put them in my posting queue.

    They won't pop up right away (I try to space things out), but now >50% of my queue for the week is highlighting positive news. That may shift as the week evolves and news breaks, but this is looking to be a more positive week from me :)

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  • [–] 1 point 14 hours ago

    It's a good way to do it and also if you think there is a lack of a community with a proper focus on a topic (like the ones OP mentions), create it and moderate it properly.

    Nothing is stopping you from creating a Harry Potter community that focuses on the positive aspects of that world and blocks those who only put hate into the topic, nothing prevents you from doing it and working on developing it.

    You will surely find more support than you can imagine and you will help this corner of the internet become more like what you really would like it to be.

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