EDIT- My heating/ac is all electric so i cant do anything about that or gas and i cannot install a heat pump most likely because i rent and probably cant change large aspects like that

I'd like to have two space heaters (one i already have as a floater between bedroom and living room, its a small apartment)

Is it possibly more efficient and cost-saving to keep a minimum temperature to keep the "pipes" from freezing in winter but be able to surgically modulate the temperature using seperate slace heaters like if i stay in either room all day just use that room's sh to get it comfortable but let the other room just chill at the min temp

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[–] 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Maybe. Probably.

The most expensive thing you can do is heat all the air in your entire home to be comfortably warm. The cheapest thing you can do is make everything colder.

You’re in the middle with a hybrid solution - using secondary heating to heat up specific areas. Since both heating sources are electric, and electric heaters are practically 100% efficient, it really just comes down to how big the area you need to heat and how long it takes.

For example, if you have a 2 bedroom apartment and you’re using space heaters to heat both rooms and, say, the kitchen, what’s really left? The bathroom? You’ll probably have spend more money buying heaters than you’d ever save on energy.

On the flip side, if you run the main heat low but then every morning your bedroom is cold and you’re miserable for an hour while it heats up, is that really worth the ongoing misery to save not-very-much-money every morning?

If you don’t own any heaters yet, figure out what they’ll cost and what your heating actually costs you. If the savings are less than the energy savings over a couple of years, I wouldn’t even explore this any further. Dropping your thermostat a couple degrees and wearing a sweater inside will get you a lot of the way there.

Another thing you can look at is insulation efficiency. Is your place expensive to heat? That’s because your warm air is escaping. Why? Feel around floor seams, outlets, windows, etc for cold drafts - that’s cold air coming in and forcing you to heat it back up! Sometimes a hole in a wall can be trivially taped over to cut this down. Are the windows especially bad? Keep the curtains drawn. You can even buy plastic wrap kits that you basically stick over the whole window to trap the air. It works well but then you can’t use the window until you take it down in the spring.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    100% efficiency isnt that good when heat pumps can comfortably push 400-500%, and its not always the full story. An electric heater that converted the electricity to heat, but doesnt disperse it around the room effectively is 100% efficient, but still kinda useless.

    Insulation is a big win though. Honeycomb blinds are not terribly expensive, but can do a fantastic job of insulating large windows. You can get them made to size via aliexpress, and its surprisingly cheap.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    It's not necessarily about 100% being the best possible heating efficiency^1^, but rather that the exact method is irrelevant. Any two pure electric heating methods will always, by definition, be equally efficient at heating a space.

    Also, not dispering the heat isn't really an issue in continuous long term operation. Free convection and radiation will eventually disperse the heat for you (heat in = heat out in the long term equilibrium is a fundamental law of physics, and for a given (mostly) matter tight space in given exterior conditions, the heat out is determined exclusively by the average interior temperature. Same amount of heat in must always lead to the same average internal temperature in the long term equilibrium), in fact the vast majority of european homes, which often lack central ducting, rely entirely on passive heat distribution in their most common heating methods, under floor and radiators.

    1: And using the term efficiency (useful work out/total work in) isn't really accurate for heat pumps, the correct term is coefficient of performance (cop = total heat moved/total work in). Calling a heat pump 400% efficient is a bit like calling a fuel truck 1000% efficient, because it used the energy in 10 liters of diesel to move the energy contained in 1000 liters of diesel down the road) The useful work a heat pump is doing is the act of moving heat, not the amount of heat moved, and since the act of moving heat theoretically takes zero energy in the ideal case, see maxwells demon, technically heat pumps all have zero efficiency

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 days ago*

    The heaters are like $50-60 tops (so another $50 to compeletw the swt) and i also like the white noise aspect of them so they might even be justifiable even if they dont save an insane amount, but I feel likeyou said they form a middle road solution that pretty much almost certainly saves over globally heating the entire place up and there wont be any misery involved no matter which way it goes :)

    My cats and I already love having one again so im very tempted to have one for both rooms and let the carda fall where they may

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