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[–] 1 point 4 hours ago (4 children)

That's the exact same play the US left has fallen for over and over again.

The fundamental difference is that the tea party takeover was billionaire approved and astroturfed.
Entryism to the Democratic party on the other hand is a no go from the party's sponsors.

There are squabbling factions within the ruling class, but they are united against us. The overton window they define will always be far to the right of what the masses find acceptable (insofar as they are not stupefied by fascistic dreck and capitalist realism).

As for bloodshed, it's happening all the time at a scale that makes knowledge of it a moral hazard.
You're just insulated from it; much of it is omitted from news cycles or hidden behind layers of obfuscation.

Let's take some "uncontroversial" examples: Tens of thousands of people die in the US each year from denied health care claims. Mass shootings are now so common they almost never make the news. Three quarters of a million people in the US are homeless. Many die of exposure (often after police clear out their camps right before a cold snap). Just because they weren't stabbed or shot doesn't mean they aren't victims of violence.

The Socdems in Germany wanted to avoid bloodshed, too.

[The reformist] admits that the path of “bloody revolution” now becomes inevitable-after fifteen years of suffering, after the maximum strengthening of the class enemy, and therefore now involving far heavier sacrifice and bloodshed, that the so-called “peaceful” path is thus proved to involve in the end, not the avoidance of bloodshed, but the maximum of bloodshed.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 hours ago (3 children)

    You just watch. You may well eat those words.

    And I'm aware of the suffering going on at an incomprehensible scale in the word, both domestically and abroad. Some of us are trying to build the political power to change that, and rhetoric like yours is getting in the way.

    Revolution will not solve it, only exacerbate and accelerate it with no guarantee of what comes after.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    Without revolution there's a guarantee of societal collapse and possibly extinction.
    Exponential growth is not negotiable under capitalism, despite the literal mathematical certainty of where it leads.

    It's not just a poor choice of a contemporary ruling class with an abundance of hubris eschewing long term planning, it's baked into the foundational mechanics. Capitalism can't function without it.

    I've been watching for over a decade. I've fallen for the same trap, which I could have avoided if only I had read more about what came before. You on the other hand need only not forget recent years.

    I've watched the US left "resist" all the way into ever deepening fascism. Watched fascists cheerfully kill for their beliefs while the resistance meekly dies for theirs.
    Watched the squad get absorbed by the establishment. Watched the idea of not actively supporting a genocide be dismissed as radical. Watched bipartisan support for banning the platform people were using to learn about the atrocities. Watched the DNC fall over itself looking for excuses as to why they lost to the worst candidate in history.

    And I've watched the zeitgeist lag unfathomably far behind what anyone with a heart, brain, and eyes should already understand even if, like me, they lived most of their lives in political ignorance.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    I understand that the fundamental structures and underlying philosophies of capitalism are inherently toxic to society, humanity, ecosystems, and the planet. You don't have to convince me of that.

    We agree on what the problem is. What we disagree on is the solution.

    And I can see I'm not going to convince you. But unlike you I won't try to berate or goad anyone into doing things my way.

    I start conversations, I contribute what I can and I encourage others to do the same. And increasingly I'm finding it futile to try persuading anyone so far lost among the fringes that they believe the only way forward is violence and chaos.

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  • Spare me the hypocritical posturing, and if you want to convince someone try offering solid points rather than making up unflattering stories about what or why they believe.

    If you only follow what you supposedly already understand about capitalism to its logical conclusions, whatever pseudo-solution you're alluding to evaporates.

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