For Joe Reeve, the midterm afterglow faded fast.

The London startup founder was among the wave around the Trump-weary world awakening to the stunning news that Americans had sharply rejected President Donald Trump’s fist-in-the-eye stewardship of the United States that had started a war with Iran, forged no peace in Ukraine or the Mideast and made gas and food so expensive.

Voters, Reeve saw online, had flipped control of both houses of Congress, handing the power to check the president to his rival Democrats. American democracy, 250 years on, had survived the Trump era.

But a deep and profound distrust of the United States had survived the vote, too. And from national leaders to aspiring American immigrants, no one seemed confident that change was afoot.

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[–] 18 points 3 days ago (4 children)

US history both recent and distant taught me that the US was never to be trusted. Trump is merely the icing on a really shitty cake.

Why do so many US citizens believe their country was amazing until Trump came along? Read your own history FFS.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 days ago* (1 child)

    Relatively heavy levels of indoctrination.

    Its easy to indoctrinate people into something that is nice to believe 'this is the greatest country in the world, anyone can become anything here', what a lovely fantasy. Who wouldnt accept this falsehood when presented with it? Who would willingly reject it if they could easily lie to themselves instead.

    Tbf, they are far from the only country that does this, its hard to distinguish why it can seem so much more prevalent in Americans.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago

    There are a few comments here making similar points, so I’ve just picked one to respond to, but it’s a response to all of them…

    As some background, I’ve worked with many US citizens over the years, all over be world in different jobs, and all of them university-educated. Almost all of them liberals (not a term I use lovingly). I only ever met one who didn’t despise Trump.

    What always struck me as tough to swallow was that although they could criticize Trump or the GOP, all of them appeared to love their country, and more annoyingly, to feel a palpable sense of superiority about being ‘American.’ I would often get made fun of for being where I’m from, and I’d ask them why exactly they were so much better than every other country.

    Was it the corporate government masquerading as democracy? Was it the ability for their military to flatten peasant villages? Was it their long record of overthrowing democratically elected governments all over the world?

    What, oh educated well-traveled ‘Americans,’ makes you so superior to the rest of us?

    I’ve lived in dictatorships, in highly religious states, in places where children having shoes is a rarity, but I’ve truly never come across people so sure of their greatness and the greatness of their country as ‘Americans.’ It’s quite nauseating, whether as a colleague or simply as a tourist.

    Indoctrination is surely everywhere. I’ve lived it myself and I’ve seen it in every country I’ve ever been. Try avoiding a Turkish flag in Istanbul, Hindu propaganda in India, or CCP everything in China. Despite all that, I’ve found the US inflated sense of importance is quite incomparable, especially when compared to the many other nationalities I’ve met outside their home countries.

    I suppose it’s the cliché of the “ugly American” I find so irritating. None of them I met, not one, ever took time to even try to understand my story as someone whose greatness could not measure up to theirs, so it certainly doesn’t come naturally to me to feel as if they’re all poor victims who I need to be patted on the head and smile at. Their smugness doesn’t inspire that.

    I was indoctrinated. We all were. If you’re an educated adult in the 21st century, all the historic info one would ever need is out there. To instead choose a default superiority-mode seems simply ignorant to me.

    And again, I’ve worked with dozens upon dozens of educated ‘Americans.’ I’ve also traveled all over the US more than once, not that I ever would again.

    Anyway, I know enough to differentiate between some everyday ‘American’ and a rabid MAGA fascist, yet that inner core of “we’re better than you” seems to exist in the overwhelming majority of them that I’ve met, even the ones I call friends.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago

    Well, it's because the kids are indoctrinated to believe that the US is the best. Having to stand up at the start of the school day to do the Pledge of Allegiance, for instance.

    And the history books like to go over the good parts. The not so good parts, like the Nullification Crisis, the fuckery from the US where they threatened to blow up Japan's shit if they don't allow trade, the colonization of the Philippines and operation to quell the associated rebellion, and the routine bullying of Haiti tends to be glossed over.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago

    Not making excuses but just so you know why so many of us are so ignorant of our history: Texas was, until a few days ago, completely controled by unhinged conservatives. They insisted on getting batshit crazy textbooks. For example, people in the US get textbooks describing the Civil War as “The War of Northern Agression” and portray it as not about the South fighting to keep slavery and force Northern states to enforce their runaway slave laws but rather some other complete bullshit. Texas is the biggest textbook consumer in the country so publishers try to put as much of the Texas appeasement as possible into books for the wntire country, rather than incur the expense if maintaining multiple editions. Tens of millions (maybe hubdreds of millions) of kids over the last few decades have been taught absolute crap at school. It’s sad and scary and frustrating and I’m hopeful that it’s finally hoing to change.

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