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[–] 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

You're asking the wrong question.

You're asking: "are HRT medications perfectly safe?"

You should be asking: "are HRT medications of comparable safety to other OTC medications?"

And the risks from HRT medications are vastly overblown, which you are doing here. You're spreading FUD about HRT. The risks are lower than most OTC medications. And most of the "risks" cited by folks are just your risk profile switching from a testosterone-dominated risk profile to an estrogen-dominated risk profile. Trans women on HRT get an increased risk of breast cancer, no shit. Growing boobs will do that. Or look at the bullshit told to trans men about how it increases their risk of heart attack, when all it does is raise the heart attack risk closer to the cis male range than the cis female range. Almost all bullshit spread around about the risks of HRT are just your medical risk profile undergoing a sex change. Cis men are more at risk from certain maladies then cis women, and vice versa. When you go on HRT, you switch sides of this.

And this is the disgusting hypocrisy of it. (On the part of the medical establishment, not you specifically.) No cis man who hasn't already had a heart attack would ever be told to take testosterone blockers to lower his risk of heart attack, even though they absolutely could lower their risk by doing so. But when a trans man takes a medication that simply raises his heart attack risk to be closer to the male range than the female range, suddenly that's fear mongered as some horrible risk factor that needs to be guarded against at all cost.

Quit spreading FUD about HRT. It's safer than tylenol.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I'm not spreading fud. I'm not asking questions.

    I'm making a statement that drug classifications exist for a reason, even when flawed.

    In the case of the various hormones, while I absolutely insist that access should be open and free, they are a class of medications that should be screened for contraindications. To a degree that simply doesn't match the level of risk that is acceptable for an OTC medication.

    Being real, or isn't about trans access at all. Nobody needs to run into them OTC. Little old ladies with hot flashes, guys wanting to boost muscle gains, whatever. They just aren't a good OTC candidate.

    That is completely separate from how horribly unfair and biased the medical community can be about access to meds for trans people. It's separate from trans people deserving total access to whatever treatment regimen they and their providers determine is safe enough and useful for their needs. It's about the mind numbing list of contraindications. It isn't "just" breast cancer or coronary risks. Both of which are far from trivial, but you know those risks going in because they're the common, well known ones.

    Like estradiol and some anticonvulsants, or benzos. The possible outcomes from that kind of interaction aren't likely to kill anyone, but they're going to have an unpleasant experience and need to change either their hrt regimen, or the other meds until a combination is found that's both effective and safe.

    You can't do all that on your own. Nobody can because it's not only unsafe, it's a hit into the resources that are sometimes already limited. You get randos just deciding they need to switch from valium to, I dunno, xanax, and even if that was a perfect switch to make, now you've got their supply of valium that's in the trash or whatever because you can't just return them. Or vice versa, they switch the estradiol and now that's either trash or is an unverified drug floating around which is a whole nuther kettle of fish being spilled.

    The problem is that trans people need to be given the respect and decency to have access to transition resources without the bullshit, not what the meds are classified as. You, me, Terry down the street, we all have a fundamental right to equal access to services and medications. It I can get testosterone provided as a cis man, so should you as a trans man. Period. No buts. This is a separate thing from testosterone being an over the counter med.

    It's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. People seem to forget that most of the drug classifications and regulations came about because without them, shit was horrible. Those classifications and regulations aren't always accurate representations of anything other than the stupidity of legislators, but that just means we need better methods of changing them, not that they don't work at all.

    Seriously here, I have seen, first hand, too fucking many times exactly what happens when people start taking shit that they shouldn't. I was very often the first person to notice that kind of thing coming into a new patient's home and observing their medications. People taking way too high a dose, or not enough. Taking things that absolutely shouldn't have been taken together. I have seen some fucked up shit because of medications being used inappropriately. So, when I say that the various HRT meds should not be OTC, it isn't bigotry, it isn't fud, it's first hand experience combined with training and knowledge.

    I'm not talking out of my ass here, I've seen exactly what can go wrong when someone takes estradiol while also taking thyroid meds. It isn't going to kill most people (and didn't my patient), but it was absolutely something that would happen with it OTC, because that poor, half dementia swallowed old lady got the estradiol from her sister, not her doctor, who would have been able to find the right combination of meds for her case.

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  • That is completely separate from how horribly unfair and biased the medical community can be about access to meds for trans people. It’s separate from trans people deserving total access to whatever treatment regimen they and their providers determine is safe enough and useful for their needs. It’s about the mind numbing list of contraindications.

    I think you missed the point entirely. There's nothing magical about the estradiol I take. It's literally the exact same molecule my body makes on its own.

    You ARE spreading FUD. All those contraindications of estradiol are just a trans woman raising her risk factor for that contraindicated medication up to the risk levels a cis woman experiences from her natural hormone levels. You would never tell a cis woman to go on E blockers when taking these medications. But when a trans woman takes a medication that simply raises her risk profile to female levels, then it's some horrible thing.

    HRT fundamentally changes how your body metabolizes medications. Of course it's going to change the risk profiles of a bunch of other medications. It's a sex change at the biochemical level. But all it's doing is swapping your male-pattern risks to female-pattern risks, and vice versa. Estradiol lowers your risks from a bunch of medications, anti-contraindications if you will, but that side of the ledger is always ignored by FUD-mongers like yourself.

    I have seen some fucked up shit because of medications being used inappropriately.

    And none of those medications were HRT.

    I’m not talking out of my ass here, I’ve seen exactly what can go wrong when someone takes estradiol while also taking thyroid meds. It isn’t going to kill most people (and didn’t my patient), but it was absolutely something that would happen with it OTC, because that poor, half dementia swallowed old lady got the estradiol from her sister, not her doctor, who would have been able to find the right combination of meds for her case.

    You're basically arguing that no medication should be OTC. Or really in this case, no amount of medical screening can help. The old lady with dementia could just as easily mistakenly take a 10x dose of something prescribed by her doctor.

    And again, even in the worst case you can imagine, nobody died. Meanwhile, trans people are dying every day from lack of access to HRT.

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