I do it to a certain amount cos I have to in order to do ok at work etc.

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[–] 18 points 23 hours ago* (3 children)

The people that "made the rules" knew exactly what they were doing. It's silly to think otherwise. The intentions and goals just did not align with the masses. The system is working perfectly for their children and their children's children.

Don't assume stupidity is the answer for a system more easily understood by maintaining power and material benefit for a specific class. All that does is give you a sense of a intellectual victory that is meaningless in obtaining, what you really need, a material one.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

    This is about societal behavioral expectations, comrade, not material and economic class structures.

    No ruling class cabal designed small talk, ambiguous subtext, and sensory overload to extract surplus value from the proletariat. The post is about the exhausting, arbitrary social etiquette neurotypicals made up on the fly. Not everything is Capital. Sometimes people just want to exist without having to perform conversational gymnastics.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago* (1 child)

    I mean, that can be your interpretation of the post. But "rules" can mean multiple things here. And they are not independent either. Expectations of social behavior are shaped by economic class structures. It's not some independent and unrelated thing even if your interpreting "rules" is purely a in social behavioral way.

    I don't interpret the post as referring to small talk or sensory issues. These are things I struggle with; but I don't see them as "rules" that don't make sense. I see them as expectations that I personally struggle with. But they aren't unreasonable to me. I see them as social or environment constructions that are not made for people with my type of mind. But, I can understand why people enjoy small talk. I can understand why Costco is lit up like a warehouse with annoying bright lights. I don't at all see these as "illogical rules". I understand why they exist in a world made for normies.

    The "rules" that I see as illogical are ones that every type of working class person suffers from; but, are especially obvious and difficult for someone with my (our) type of brain.

    Its obviously not the only factor. But the alienation caused by our economic structures is a major struggle for those of us that form social relationships primarily through the connection we have through sharing the products of our labor. That connection is entirely abstracted and removed by the "rules" of modern modes of production. The relationship to our labor is not to the production of goods and services, but to a faceless and emotionless number through our wage. It's why I spend my free time making things for others (leathercraft mostly). I struggle with making social connections as normies do; but connect with others through the products of my labor or shared interest of it. It's a fundamental part of how I form relationships and is entirely non existent in most jobs today.

    And this is not the only social behavior that is restricted and enforced by the capitalist mode of production. It goes further when you realize that capitalism is the current means of enforcing patriarchy within a society.

    Id recommend reading on topics of family and social structures and how expectations are enforced through the economic class structures and how they are used to enforce patriarchy.

    Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism is a good book to read. But this isn't a "new" idea. Marx wrote extensively on the topic in The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State.

    There is a reason its called Socialism. Social expectations and class structures are interwoven.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago

    Friedrich Engels wrote "The Origin of the Family", by the way, not Marx.

    I don’t disagree with your points on alienation, the abstraction of labor, or finding authentic connection through physical craft like leatherwork. That’s all real, and it affects us heavily.

    But insistently reframing an offhand vent about the exhausting, arbitrary social scripts of life into a lecture on historical materialism is over-intellectualizing the point. Yes, the economic base influences culture, but neurotypicals didn't need a bourgeois mandate to invent confusing social etiquette, ambiguous conversational games, and masking.

    Not every expression of neurodivergent burnout is a dialectical thesis waiting to happen. Sometimes people are just exhausted by the daily theater of "how you're supposed to do life," and you don't need a reading list to validate that feeling.

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