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MANDATORY! (lemmy.world)
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[–] 1 point 1 day ago (3 children)

Thank you for the well thought out response. I would love to see the studies about trans women athletes having no statistical advantage over cis women if you have them handy. I just want to learn, but unfortunately most people come into these arguments with just disgust and phobia, and I don't think we should be picking a battle with them at this time. I think that's a time for when we've resolved the issue of the electoral college and restored a true vote for all. If I were trans, I would like to think my vote counting, the climate, or fair pay would be more important to me than playing sports

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (2 children)

    Here's an actual study on it. Basically, trans women have slightly more lean muscle on average, but otherwise are statistically the same as a cis woman in terms of actual strength and cardiovascular strength.

    Like I said in the previous response as well, its not "just playing sports" the same way segregation wasn't "just water fountains". As a trans leftist I will not vote for any candidate who is in favor of sports bans, (as would a lot of other trans people). And trans people tend to be very left leaning, so by espousing those viewpoints it would cost the progressive candidate votes.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    After I sent that message, I realized it was not fair for me to ask you to provide sources I could easily look up myself, so I just looked a few up myself and found some similar results as you did. Overall the data is still lacking or incomplete, and you also see studies like this...

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7846503/

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/

    Perhaps the NIH (ncbi) has an agenda? It's been over a decade since I got my BA in neuroscience, but I can see the value of both arguments. I'm sure your qualifications to speak on this are just as high, if not higher than mine.

    I get that my logic is not perfect, and I don't think we should be pandering to the neonazis or the neoliberals. The wisest solution is not always the most logical, however, and we must pick our battles - new ones every few years. We need pragmatic legislation that helps everyone, before we start to address niche difficult issues like transgender equality in sports.

    For now, I still think a bandaid solution is best; Trans women of any age cannot compete with cis women unless it's expressly allowed by the regulatory committee of that particular sport - i.e. in an open division or in a sport where physical traits are not a statistical predictor of success.

    That would help liberals and republicans get off this merry-go-round of absurd hypotheticals and focus on the major issues happening now, affecting us all.

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