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[–] 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I think it's a vicious cycle there more than one creating the whole situation. The expectation that men will be sexually aggressive encourages women to be sexually defensive which includes masking desire which leaves much more room for men to be encouraged to be sexually aggressive.

The ultimate solution is to work on both at the same time. We need to continue the push for sexual liberation, which includes encouraging women to be open about desires and to make moves, but is ultimately the process of getting men/women to move from an aggressive/defensive approach to sex to both having an egalitarian and cooperative approach

At least that's my outsiders perspective, I'm a lesbian who never dated men, so grain of salt and whatnot

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago

    It's more or less spot on, from what I've seen, and it makes perfect sense. You don't get a system to last centuries without making it thoroughly self-reinforcing. And it's precisely what makes the outside perspectives valuable: it's hard for a fish to see water unless you take it out of it. Otherwise you just end up turning "boys will be boys" into "yes all men".

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    I’m a lesbian who never dated men

    And yet your insight is better than that of most of the other people posting here, who are probably straight men. Who'd have thought that being a woman and loving women might confer someone with understanding of women? I respect the Sisterhood, as I do anyone strong enough to swim against the current in pursuit of their own integrity and joy.

    which includes encouraging women to be open about desires and to make moves

    The first time a women assertively made a move on me, when I was about 20, I was initially freaked out, but went along with it (which turned out to be a good choice). I'd accumulated that much gender-role stereotyping up to that point in my short life. After that, such experiences were still the exception rather than the rule, but I was more confident in my responses (which didn't always mean I said yes-- someone obviously drunk could well have morning-after regrets, and I didn't want to be part of those).

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